From iain at iain-waddell.co.uk Tue Aug 5 13:53:14 2008 From: iain at iain-waddell.co.uk (Iain) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:53:14 +0100 Subject: [War_ooc] I'm new, hello :P Message-ID: Hi guys, Just a note to say hi. I'm going to be playing Spain in the near future (just sent off my final draft of the setup to John). I'm 23, from the UK, and whilst new here have been simming (mostly Trek :S) for.well far too long and should probably get a life. Look forward to playing with you guys, Iain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080805/31441762/attachment.html From iain at iain-waddell.co.uk Tue Aug 5 14:50:02 2008 From: iain at iain-waddell.co.uk (Iain) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:50:02 +0100 Subject: [War_ooc] Spain 2014 Message-ID: <09A3E61C0DE246A9BE7FD0FCB8FAD4DA@iainw> ==================== Country: Kingdom of Spain Leader: President of the Government Elena Garcia Rodriguez Ruling Party: Spanish Socialist Workers' Party Political Landscape =================== In 2008, the Spanish Socialist Worker's Party was re-elected to Government under President Zapatero with slightly less than an overall majority. At this time the party was unable to secure support of any of the other parties in the parliament and therefore began to run a minority government. This government was plagued by problems both in terms of its inability to gain support for many of its key tabled reforms and in the public opinion of the party. Following the shooting of one of the party's Basque politicians on the run up to the 2008 election, which was attributed to ETA, the party and the government were seen to do little. This ran contrary to Zapatero's promise of being a hardliner on terrorism and he began to lose popularity and the faith of his people. When an attempt was made on the President's life in 2009, leaving him without the function of his left arm, he stepped down. Vice President Maria Teresa Fernandez de la Vega stepped into the breach as interim and two days later was elected to the Presidential post on the second vote with only a plurality of votes having failed to gain a majority in the first vote. It was under Fernandez's leadership that the Spanish Socialist Worker's Party found a renewed support among the Spaniards. Her increasingly liberal views on equality and a unified Spain rang resoundingly with the people of Spain. During the ensuing recession, her firm leadership and increasingly public figure seized the opportunity to further her policies. In 2010, in league with the monarch, Juan Carlos I, she called out to Spain to seek a new era of unity, to use the wealth they had gathered prior to this financial crisis to spread throughout the country rather than the local disparities that currently reigned. Nationalist movements for regions throughout Spain began to lose their popularity and by 2012 a return to Central Government Administration had been achieved. Following the 2012 elections, the Spanish Socialist Workers Party found themselves win a landslide victory with a clear majority in the Senate. Fernandez congratulated her party and their supporters before announcing her time had come to retire. It was a third round of voting this time that eventually elected a President to be confirmed by the King. Elena Garcia Rodriguez was confirmed as President on November 17th, 2012. Rodriguez was much younger than her predecessor and a new-hand to politics having only joined the government of Fernandez 2 years earlier from a career in diplomacy. After a shaky start, Fernandez gained increasing popularity with key members of her party and many public figures spoke out in support of a fresh face leading the country. Many social reforms remained on the table, and it was Fernandez that began to bring the Spanish back into the international political arena in 2013 following a prolonged period of political isolation. Defence ======= The Spanish military remains active only in International Peacekeeping Forces and has down-scaled considerably in recent years. The running joke is that the coast guard and border patrol will soon be the frontline Spanish troops. The Spanish government have been reluctant to pledge any troops to the UN and have only done so when it has been suggested that they're co-operation is required rather than requested. This reluctance echoes the lack of participation in diplomacy in recent years. The participation in peacekeeping operations in Azerbaijan under US direction was seen as controversial (albeit justified) given the condemnation of violence in Russian provinces and Korea. Foreign Relations ================= Over the past year, President Fernandez has reshuffled her ambassadorial staff to better represent Spain abroad. There are rumours of an intended tour of Europe to discuss common political issues with nearby leaders but nothing has yet been confirmed. In 2013 Fernandez directly criticised the Chinese leader for his government's involvement in using prisoners to produce goods for export. This, whilst the opinion of the majority, was seen as a bold move given the influence of the superpower over the currently political climate. Further condemnations came from members of her government and diplomatic staff following evidence of human rights violations by Chinese soldiers. Relations with the United States have been cordial, with open discussion and review of the Azerbaijan situation and joint criticism of the Chinese leading to a defrosting of the usually icy Iberian-US dialogue. There have been warnings from several sources against Spain becoming a new US 'lapdog' which the President has not taken seriously. Comparisons of former UK-US relations have also been made. Despite widely evading damage in recent international terrorist strikes, Fernandez has reinforced her position to not negotiate with terrorist organisations and ensured that the leaders of countries affected all received personal messages of condolences and support from her government. A visit to the United States is now thought to be imminent following messages of support for the Williams administrations handling of almost ever recent affair. Economy ======= The economy is slowly restabilising following the recessions of recent times. This has been helped with the central regulation of government spending and taxation taken back from local governments a couple of years ago. There is hope with a raised international profile both tourism and sales of Spanish exports will bring the country higher revenues once more. Social Issues ============= Unemployment remains an issue in Spain which has had an effect on slightly higher rates of crime. The government is tackling these problems together with criminals having compulsory public service and training courses to increase their skills and 'sense of duty'. Particularly following World Youth Day in 2011 in Madrid, a return to Catholicism has led to immense controversies in Spain. Whilst the people are taking up regular attendance at mass and religious views, this has led to a decreased interest in social reform. This has been echoed by the slowing of social reforms passing through legislative paths. Hate crimes have been on the increase following recent international terrorism and Iranian actions, particularly against the Muslim communities in Spain. There has been a no-tolerance approach from the government on these crimes with mandatory custodial sentences for anyone convicted but this has done little to curb the trend. Non-Spanish nationals are still finding themselves feeling bullied as the nation frowns on both legal and illegal immigration. The tightening of immigration laws does not seem to have helped the matter. Tolerance for homosexual marriage remains but is continuously being protested by religious groups and being brought for debate in government. The appointment of an openly-gay man as Vice President, who is married to his husband has been viewed as a token gesture to the 'liberal' views that the President supposedly holds and has led to a decrease in both the government, and their leader's popularity among the more religious. The Muslim population of Spain is also gaining increased attendance at religious gatherings and whilst this initially was accepted and a live-and-let-live attitude was adopted, increasing suspicion over the war in Azerbaijan and terrorism has led to the occasional brawl between Muslims and Christians. Conversely, the Muslims are protesting the Spanish government's involvement in Azerbaijan as an act against Islamic faithfuls. Human Rights organisations and Sexual-equality groups remain a powerful lobbying force but are being increasingly side-lined over the growing power of the Catholic Church and the government's desperation to quench bad feeling both from and toward its Muslim citizens. ==== From martellian at hotmail.com Tue Aug 5 17:31:39 2008 From: martellian at hotmail.com (Ian Martell) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:31:39 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] Spain 2014 In-Reply-To: <09A3E61C0DE246A9BE7FD0FCB8FAD4DA@iainw> References: <09A3E61C0DE246A9BE7FD0FCB8FAD4DA@iainw> Message-ID: Hey Iain, Welcome to WAR, I'm Ian Martell, the player for Japan. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain" Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:50 AM To: Subject: [War_ooc] Spain 2014 > ==================== > Country: Kingdom of Spain > Leader: President of the Government Elena Garcia Rodriguez Ruling Party: > Spanish Socialist Workers' Party > > > Political Landscape > =================== > > In 2008, the Spanish Socialist Worker's Party was re-elected to Government > under President Zapatero with slightly less than an overall majority. At > this time the party was unable to secure support of any of the other > parties > in the parliament and therefore began to run a minority government. This > government was plagued by problems both in terms of its inability to gain > support for many of its key tabled reforms and in the public opinion of > the > party. Following the shooting of one of the party's Basque politicians on > the run up to the 2008 election, which was attributed to ETA, the party > and > the government were seen to do little. This ran contrary to Zapatero's > promise of being a hardliner on terrorism and he began to lose popularity > and the faith of his people. When an attempt was made on the President's > life in 2009, leaving him without the function of his left arm, he stepped > down. Vice President Maria Teresa Fernandez de la Vega stepped into the > breach as interim and two days later was elected to the Presidential post > on > the second vote with only a plurality of votes having failed to gain a > majority in the first vote. > > It was under Fernandez's leadership that the Spanish Socialist Worker's > Party found a renewed support among the Spaniards. Her increasingly > liberal > views on equality and a unified Spain rang resoundingly with the people of > Spain. During the ensuing recession, her firm leadership and increasingly > public figure seized the opportunity to further her policies. In 2010, in > league with the monarch, Juan Carlos I, she called out to Spain to seek a > new era of unity, to use the wealth they had gathered prior to this > financial crisis to spread throughout the country rather than the local > disparities that currently reigned. Nationalist movements for regions > throughout Spain began to lose their popularity and by 2012 a return to > Central Government Administration had been achieved. > > Following the 2012 elections, the Spanish Socialist Workers Party found > themselves win a landslide victory with a clear majority in the Senate. > Fernandez congratulated her party and their supporters before announcing > her > time had come to retire. It was a third round of voting this time that > eventually elected a President to be confirmed by the King. Elena Garcia > Rodriguez was confirmed as President on November 17th, 2012. Rodriguez was > much younger than her predecessor and a new-hand to politics having only > joined the government of Fernandez 2 years earlier from a career in > diplomacy. > > After a shaky start, Fernandez gained increasing popularity with key > members > of her party and many public figures spoke out in support of a fresh face > leading the country. Many social reforms remained on the table, and it was > Fernandez that began to bring the Spanish back into the international > political arena in 2013 following a prolonged period of political > isolation. > > > Defence > ======= > > The Spanish military remains active only in International Peacekeeping > Forces and has down-scaled considerably in recent years. The running joke > is > that the coast guard and border patrol will soon be the frontline Spanish > troops. The Spanish government have been reluctant to pledge any troops to > the UN and have only done so when it has been suggested that they're > co-operation is required rather than requested. This reluctance echoes the > lack of participation in diplomacy in recent years. The participation in > peacekeeping operations in Azerbaijan under US direction was seen as > controversial (albeit justified) given the condemnation of violence in > Russian provinces and Korea. > > Foreign Relations > ================= > > Over the past year, President Fernandez has reshuffled her ambassadorial > staff to better represent Spain abroad. There are rumours of an intended > tour of Europe to discuss common political issues with nearby leaders but > nothing has yet been confirmed. > > In 2013 Fernandez directly criticised the Chinese leader for his > government's involvement in using prisoners to produce goods for export. > This, whilst the opinion of the majority, was seen as a bold move given > the > influence of the superpower over the currently political climate. Further > condemnations came from members of her government and diplomatic staff > following evidence of human rights violations by Chinese soldiers. > > Relations with the United States have been cordial, with open discussion > and > review of the Azerbaijan situation and joint criticism of the Chinese > leading to a defrosting of the usually icy Iberian-US dialogue. There have > been warnings from several sources against Spain becoming a new US > 'lapdog' > which the President has not taken seriously. Comparisons of former UK-US > relations have also been made. > > Despite widely evading damage in recent international terrorist strikes, > Fernandez has reinforced her position to not negotiate with terrorist > organisations and ensured that the leaders of countries affected all > received personal messages of condolences and support from her government. > A > visit to the United States is now thought to be imminent following > messages > of support for the Williams administrations handling of almost ever recent > affair. > > > Economy > ======= > > The economy is slowly restabilising following the recessions of recent > times. This has been helped with the central regulation of government > spending and taxation taken back from local governments a couple of years > ago. There is hope with a raised international profile both tourism and > sales of Spanish exports will bring the country higher revenues once more. > > > Social Issues > ============= > > Unemployment remains an issue in Spain which has had an effect on slightly > higher rates of crime. The government is tackling these problems together > with criminals having compulsory public service and training courses to > increase their skills and 'sense of duty'. > > Particularly following World Youth Day in 2011 in Madrid, a return to > Catholicism has led to immense controversies in Spain. Whilst the people > are > taking up regular attendance at mass and religious views, this has led to > a > decreased interest in social reform. This has been echoed by the slowing > of > social reforms passing through legislative paths. Hate crimes have been on > the increase following recent international terrorism and Iranian actions, > particularly against the Muslim communities in Spain. There has been a > no-tolerance approach from the government on these crimes with mandatory > custodial sentences for anyone convicted but this has done little to curb > the trend. Non-Spanish nationals are still finding themselves feeling > bullied as the nation frowns on both legal and illegal immigration. The > tightening of immigration laws does not seem to have helped the matter. > > Tolerance for homosexual marriage remains but is continuously being > protested by religious groups and being brought for debate in government. > The appointment of an openly-gay man as Vice President, who is married to > his husband has been viewed as a token gesture to the 'liberal' views that > the President supposedly holds and has led to a decrease in both the > government, and their leader's popularity among the more religious. > > The Muslim population of Spain is also gaining increased attendance at > religious gatherings and whilst this initially was accepted and a > live-and-let-live attitude was adopted, increasing suspicion over the war > in > Azerbaijan and terrorism has led to the occasional brawl between Muslims > and > Christians. Conversely, the Muslims are protesting the Spanish > government's > involvement in Azerbaijan as an act against Islamic faithfuls. > > Human Rights organisations and Sexual-equality groups remain a powerful > lobbying force but are being increasingly side-lined over the growing > power > of the Catholic Church and the government's desperation to quench bad > feeling both from and toward its Muslim citizens. > > ==== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From dylandv at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 18:32:11 2008 From: dylandv at gmail.com (Dylan de Valk) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:32:11 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] Spain 2014 In-Reply-To: References: <09A3E61C0DE246A9BE7FD0FCB8FAD4DA@iainw> Message-ID: <763946e70808051532p6de82579i79e4b48731ce0da@mail.gmail.com> hey, welcome aboard. in Dylan and I play Canada. good to have ya with us. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Ian Martell wrote: > Hey Iain, > > Welcome to WAR, I'm Ian Martell, the player for Japan. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Iain" > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:50 AM > To: > Subject: [War_ooc] Spain 2014 > > > ==================== > > Country: Kingdom of Spain > > Leader: President of the Government Elena Garcia Rodriguez Ruling Party: > > Spanish Socialist Workers' Party > > > > > > Political Landscape > > =================== > > > > In 2008, the Spanish Socialist Worker's Party was re-elected to > Government > > under President Zapatero with slightly less than an overall majority. At > > this time the party was unable to secure support of any of the other > > parties > > in the parliament and therefore began to run a minority government. This > > government was plagued by problems both in terms of its inability to gain > > support for many of its key tabled reforms and in the public opinion of > > the > > party. Following the shooting of one of the party's Basque politicians on > > the run up to the 2008 election, which was attributed to ETA, the party > > and > > the government were seen to do little. This ran contrary to Zapatero's > > promise of being a hardliner on terrorism and he began to lose popularity > > and the faith of his people. When an attempt was made on the President's > > life in 2009, leaving him without the function of his left arm, he > stepped > > down. Vice President Maria Teresa Fernandez de la Vega stepped into the > > breach as interim and two days later was elected to the Presidential post > > on > > the second vote with only a plurality of votes having failed to gain a > > majority in the first vote. > > > > It was under Fernandez's leadership that the Spanish Socialist Worker's > > Party found a renewed support among the Spaniards. Her increasingly > > liberal > > views on equality and a unified Spain rang resoundingly with the people > of > > Spain. During the ensuing recession, her firm leadership and increasingly > > public figure seized the opportunity to further her policies. In 2010, in > > league with the monarch, Juan Carlos I, she called out to Spain to seek a > > new era of unity, to use the wealth they had gathered prior to this > > financial crisis to spread throughout the country rather than the local > > disparities that currently reigned. Nationalist movements for regions > > throughout Spain began to lose their popularity and by 2012 a return to > > Central Government Administration had been achieved. > > > > Following the 2012 elections, the Spanish Socialist Workers Party found > > themselves win a landslide victory with a clear majority in the Senate. > > Fernandez congratulated her party and their supporters before announcing > > her > > time had come to retire. It was a third round of voting this time that > > eventually elected a President to be confirmed by the King. Elena Garcia > > Rodriguez was confirmed as President on November 17th, 2012. Rodriguez > was > > much younger than her predecessor and a new-hand to politics having only > > joined the government of Fernandez 2 years earlier from a career in > > diplomacy. > > > > After a shaky start, Fernandez gained increasing popularity with key > > members > > of her party and many public figures spoke out in support of a fresh face > > leading the country. Many social reforms remained on the table, and it > was > > Fernandez that began to bring the Spanish back into the international > > political arena in 2013 following a prolonged period of political > > isolation. > > > > > > Defence > > ======= > > > > The Spanish military remains active only in International Peacekeeping > > Forces and has down-scaled considerably in recent years. The running joke > > is > > that the coast guard and border patrol will soon be the frontline Spanish > > troops. The Spanish government have been reluctant to pledge any troops > to > > the UN and have only done so when it has been suggested that they're > > co-operation is required rather than requested. This reluctance echoes > the > > lack of participation in diplomacy in recent years. The participation in > > peacekeeping operations in Azerbaijan under US direction was seen as > > controversial (albeit justified) given the condemnation of violence in > > Russian provinces and Korea. > > > > Foreign Relations > > ================= > > > > Over the past year, President Fernandez has reshuffled her ambassadorial > > staff to better represent Spain abroad. There are rumours of an intended > > tour of Europe to discuss common political issues with nearby leaders but > > nothing has yet been confirmed. > > > > In 2013 Fernandez directly criticised the Chinese leader for his > > government's involvement in using prisoners to produce goods for export. > > This, whilst the opinion of the majority, was seen as a bold move given > > the > > influence of the superpower over the currently political climate. Further > > condemnations came from members of her government and diplomatic staff > > following evidence of human rights violations by Chinese soldiers. > > > > Relations with the United States have been cordial, with open discussion > > and > > review of the Azerbaijan situation and joint criticism of the Chinese > > leading to a defrosting of the usually icy Iberian-US dialogue. There > have > > been warnings from several sources against Spain becoming a new US > > 'lapdog' > > which the President has not taken seriously. Comparisons of former UK-US > > relations have also been made. > > > > Despite widely evading damage in recent international terrorist strikes, > > Fernandez has reinforced her position to not negotiate with terrorist > > organisations and ensured that the leaders of countries affected all > > received personal messages of condolences and support from her > government. > > A > > visit to the United States is now thought to be imminent following > > messages > > of support for the Williams administrations handling of almost ever > recent > > affair. > > > > > > Economy > > ======= > > > > The economy is slowly restabilising following the recessions of recent > > times. This has been helped with the central regulation of government > > spending and taxation taken back from local governments a couple of years > > ago. There is hope with a raised international profile both tourism and > > sales of Spanish exports will bring the country higher revenues once > more. > > > > > > Social Issues > > ============= > > > > Unemployment remains an issue in Spain which has had an effect on > slightly > > higher rates of crime. The government is tackling these problems together > > with criminals having compulsory public service and training courses to > > increase their skills and 'sense of duty'. > > > > Particularly following World Youth Day in 2011 in Madrid, a return to > > Catholicism has led to immense controversies in Spain. Whilst the people > > are > > taking up regular attendance at mass and religious views, this has led to > > a > > decreased interest in social reform. This has been echoed by the slowing > > of > > social reforms passing through legislative paths. Hate crimes have been > on > > the increase following recent international terrorism and Iranian > actions, > > particularly against the Muslim communities in Spain. There has been a > > no-tolerance approach from the government on these crimes with mandatory > > custodial sentences for anyone convicted but this has done little to curb > > the trend. Non-Spanish nationals are still finding themselves feeling > > bullied as the nation frowns on both legal and illegal immigration. The > > tightening of immigration laws does not seem to have helped the matter. > > > > Tolerance for homosexual marriage remains but is continuously being > > protested by religious groups and being brought for debate in government. > > The appointment of an openly-gay man as Vice President, who is married to > > his husband has been viewed as a token gesture to the 'liberal' views > that > > the President supposedly holds and has led to a decrease in both the > > government, and their leader's popularity among the more religious. > > > > The Muslim population of Spain is also gaining increased attendance at > > religious gatherings and whilst this initially was accepted and a > > live-and-let-live attitude was adopted, increasing suspicion over the war > > in > > Azerbaijan and terrorism has led to the occasional brawl between Muslims > > and > > Christians. Conversely, the Muslims are protesting the Spanish > > government's > > involvement in Azerbaijan as an act against Islamic faithfuls. > > > > Human Rights organisations and Sexual-equality groups remain a powerful > > lobbying force but are being increasingly side-lined over the growing > > power > > of the Catholic Church and the government's desperation to quench bad > > feeling both from and toward its Muslim citizens. > > > > ==== > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > War_ooc mailing list > > War_ooc at esteroic.com > > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080805/adc84ba5/attachment-0001.html From dantheman2210 at yahoo.com.au Tue Aug 5 18:50:13 2008 From: dantheman2210 at yahoo.com.au (Daniel Sanderson) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [War_ooc] Spain 2014 In-Reply-To: <763946e70808051532p6de82579i79e4b48731ce0da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <955227.62413.qm@web39108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Same from here! I'm Daniel, and I play Australia. --- On Wed, 6/8/08, Dylan de Valk wrote: > From: Dylan de Valk > Subject: Re: [War_ooc] Spain 2014 > To: war_ooc at esteroic.com > Received: Wednesday, 6 August, 2008, 8:32 AM > hey, > > welcome aboard. in Dylan and I play Canada. good to have > ya with us. > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Ian Martell > wrote: > > > Hey Iain, > > > > Welcome to WAR, I'm Ian Martell, the player for > Japan. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Iain" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:50 AM > > To: > > Subject: [War_ooc] Spain 2014 > > > > > ==================== > > > Country: Kingdom of Spain > > > Leader: President of the Government Elena Garcia > Rodriguez Ruling Party: > > > Spanish Socialist Workers' Party > > > > > > > > > Political Landscape > > > =================== > > > > > > In 2008, the Spanish Socialist Worker's Party > was re-elected to > > Government > > > under President Zapatero with slightly less than > an overall majority. At > > > this time the party was unable to secure support > of any of the other > > > parties > > > in the parliament and therefore began to run a > minority government. This > > > government was plagued by problems both in terms > of its inability to gain > > > support for many of its key tabled reforms and in > the public opinion of > > > the > > > party. Following the shooting of one of the > party's Basque politicians on > > > the run up to the 2008 election, which was > attributed to ETA, the party > > > and > > > the government were seen to do little. This ran > contrary to Zapatero's > > > promise of being a hardliner on terrorism and he > began to lose popularity > > > and the faith of his people. When an attempt was > made on the President's > > > life in 2009, leaving him without the function of > his left arm, he > > stepped > > > down. Vice President Maria Teresa Fernandez de la > Vega stepped into the > > > breach as interim and two days later was elected > to the Presidential post > > > on > > > the second vote with only a plurality of votes > having failed to gain a > > > majority in the first vote. > > > > > > It was under Fernandez's leadership that the > Spanish Socialist Worker's > > > Party found a renewed support among the > Spaniards. Her increasingly > > > liberal > > > views on equality and a unified Spain rang > resoundingly with the people > > of > > > Spain. During the ensuing recession, her firm > leadership and increasingly > > > public figure seized the opportunity to further > her policies. In 2010, in > > > league with the monarch, Juan Carlos I, she > called out to Spain to seek a > > > new era of unity, to use the wealth they had > gathered prior to this > > > financial crisis to spread throughout the country > rather than the local > > > disparities that currently reigned. Nationalist > movements for regions > > > throughout Spain began to lose their popularity > and by 2012 a return to > > > Central Government Administration had been > achieved. > > > > > > Following the 2012 elections, the Spanish > Socialist Workers Party found > > > themselves win a landslide victory with a clear > majority in the Senate. > > > Fernandez congratulated her party and their > supporters before announcing > > > her > > > time had come to retire. It was a third round of > voting this time that > > > eventually elected a President to be confirmed by > the King. Elena Garcia > > > Rodriguez was confirmed as President on November > 17th, 2012. Rodriguez > > was > > > much younger than her predecessor and a new-hand > to politics having only > > > joined the government of Fernandez 2 years > earlier from a career in > > > diplomacy. > > > > > > After a shaky start, Fernandez gained increasing > popularity with key > > > members > > > of her party and many public figures spoke out in > support of a fresh face > > > leading the country. Many social reforms remained > on the table, and it > > was > > > Fernandez that began to bring the Spanish back > into the international > > > political arena in 2013 following a prolonged > period of political > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > Defence > > > ======= > > > > > > The Spanish military remains active only in > International Peacekeeping > > > Forces and has down-scaled considerably in recent > years. The running joke > > > is > > > that the coast guard and border patrol will soon > be the frontline Spanish > > > troops. The Spanish government have been > reluctant to pledge any troops > > to > > > the UN and have only done so when it has been > suggested that they're > > > co-operation is required rather than requested. > This reluctance echoes > > the > > > lack of participation in diplomacy in recent > years. The participation in > > > peacekeeping operations in Azerbaijan under US > direction was seen as > > > controversial (albeit justified) given the > condemnation of violence in > > > Russian provinces and Korea. > > > > > > Foreign Relations > > > ================= > > > > > > Over the past year, President Fernandez has > reshuffled her ambassadorial > > > staff to better represent Spain abroad. There are > rumours of an intended > > > tour of Europe to discuss common political issues > with nearby leaders but > > > nothing has yet been confirmed. > > > > > > In 2013 Fernandez directly criticised the Chinese > leader for his > > > government's involvement in using prisoners > to produce goods for export. > > > This, whilst the opinion of the majority, was > seen as a bold move given > > > the > > > influence of the superpower over the currently > political climate. Further > > > condemnations came from members of her government > and diplomatic staff > > > following evidence of human rights violations by > Chinese soldiers. > > > > > > Relations with the United States have been > cordial, with open discussion > > > and > > > review of the Azerbaijan situation and joint > criticism of the Chinese > > > leading to a defrosting of the usually icy > Iberian-US dialogue. There > > have > > > been warnings from several sources against Spain > becoming a new US > > > 'lapdog' > > > which the President has not taken seriously. > Comparisons of former UK-US > > > relations have also been made. > > > > > > Despite widely evading damage in recent > international terrorist strikes, > > > Fernandez has reinforced her position to not > negotiate with terrorist > > > organisations and ensured that the leaders of > countries affected all > > > received personal messages of condolences and > support from her > > government. > > > A > > > visit to the United States is now thought to be > imminent following > > > messages > > > of support for the Williams administrations > handling of almost ever > > recent > > > affair. > > > > > > > > > Economy > > > ======= > > > > > > The economy is slowly restabilising following the > recessions of recent > > > times. This has been helped with the central > regulation of government > > > spending and taxation taken back from local > governments a couple of years > > > ago. There is hope with a raised international > profile both tourism and > > > sales of Spanish exports will bring the country > higher revenues once > > more. > > > > > > > > > Social Issues > > > ============= > > > > > > Unemployment remains an issue in Spain which has > had an effect on > > slightly > > > higher rates of crime. The government is tackling > these problems together > > > with criminals having compulsory public service > and training courses to > > > increase their skills and 'sense of > duty'. > > > > > > Particularly following World Youth Day in 2011 in > Madrid, a return to > > > Catholicism has led to immense controversies in > Spain. Whilst the people > > > are > > > taking up regular attendance at mass and > religious views, this has led to > > > a > > > decreased interest in social reform. This has > been echoed by the slowing > > > of > > > social reforms passing through legislative paths. > Hate crimes have been > > on > > > the increase following recent international > terrorism and Iranian > > actions, > > > particularly against the Muslim communities in > Spain. There has been a > > > no-tolerance approach from the government on > these crimes with mandatory > > > custodial sentences for anyone convicted but this > has done little to curb > > > the trend. Non-Spanish nationals are still > finding themselves feeling > > > bullied as the nation frowns on both legal and > illegal immigration. The > > > tightening of immigration laws does not seem to > have helped the matter. > > > > > > Tolerance for homosexual marriage remains but is > continuously being > > > protested by religious groups and being brought > for debate in government. > > > The appointment of an openly-gay man as Vice > President, who is married to > > > his husband has been viewed as a token gesture to > the 'liberal' views > > that > > > the President supposedly holds and has led to a > decrease in both the > > > government, and their leader's popularity > among the more religious. > > > > > > The Muslim population of Spain is also gaining > increased attendance at > > > religious gatherings and whilst this initially > was accepted and a > > > live-and-let-live attitude was adopted, > increasing suspicion over the war > > > in > > > Azerbaijan and terrorism has led to the > occasional brawl between Muslims > > > and > > > Christians. Conversely, the Muslims are > protesting the Spanish > > > government's > > > involvement in Azerbaijan as an act against > Islamic faithfuls. > > > > > > Human Rights organisations and Sexual-equality > groups remain a powerful > > > lobbying force but are being increasingly > side-lined over the growing > > > power > > > of the Catholic Church and the government's > desperation to quench bad > > > feeling both from and toward its Muslim citizens. > > > > > > ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > War_ooc mailing list > > > War_ooc at esteroic.com > > > > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > War_ooc mailing list > > War_ooc at esteroic.com > > > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com Find a better answer, faster with the new Yahoo!7 Search. www.yahoo7.com.au/search From ssiruuk25 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 14:38:29 2008 From: ssiruuk25 at yahoo.com (Dan Garcia) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [War_ooc] A note... Message-ID: <142010.83224.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello all. I thought I should give an update to explain why I made such wonderous promises as France, and then dropped off the radar. Essentially at the moment I am job hunting and contemplating a move. Indeed, I do not have access to my computer(s) as I am visiting family. So, my posting may very well be anemic for the next while. However, I will try to post (I am currently planning to post later today ). Dan Garcia, the Current Resident French-type Person Thing From dylandv at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 15:22:32 2008 From: dylandv at gmail.com (Dylan de Valk) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:22:32 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] oh dam Message-ID: <763946e70808091222n5b7a800frc83d7eca5724ab23@mail.gmail.com> sorry, i forgot to change my title on the last post. it was sitting in my draft box for a long time and then i decided to finish it. the title should be "IDC" cheers, dylan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080809/8b3ed244/attachment.html From john.penta at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 23:50:17 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:50:17 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] We big again... Message-ID: All, With Mike Downey (who should say hi soon...HINT HINT MIKE) coming back as Russia, we're now...Absolutely huge. Twelve people, now. That's big. For those who remember when we were an amazingly tiny four people active, well...We've come a long way. Now, with our size comes some changes. Buckley and I have agreed on some things: 1. We're getting somewhat more selective on who we let in (I know some of you are going to go "More selective is possible?");. This is my work - I'm going to be more picky in what I let past setup stages, really. They've always been part test of skills and part negotiation, and now I'm going to bend a bit less. 2. Buckley will say more here, but the "dictatorship" period we've been in will soon, hopefully, be coming to an end. 3. Activity requirements are back. What this means: Every player is supposed to post at least 1 post per week. Failure leads to consequences, unless you let the GMs know what's going on and ask for an LOA. Miss 3 consecutive weeks without an LOA, and you go byebye. John From michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 23:57:51 2008 From: michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com (Michael Downey) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:27:51 -0230 Subject: [War_ooc] We big again... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6b6ab8a70808092057k78ad4e8crefded48339265c33@mail.gmail.com> Well hi there fellow writers, I'm Mike Downey, aka Leonid Nemerenko, President of Russia. I'm something of a relic that many of you might already know. Hope to interact with you all soon. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:20 AM, John Penta wrote: > All, > > With Mike Downey (who should say hi soon...HINT HINT MIKE) coming > back as Russia, we're now...Absolutely huge. > > Twelve people, now. > > That's big. For those who remember when we were an amazingly tiny > four people active, well...We've come a long way. > > Now, with our size comes some changes. > > Buckley and I have agreed on some things: > > 1. We're getting somewhat more selective on who we let in (I know > some of you are going to go "More selective is possible?");. This is > my work - I'm going to be more picky in what I let past setup stages, > really. They've always been part test of skills and part negotiation, > and now I'm going to bend a bit less. > > 2. Buckley will say more here, but the "dictatorship" period we've > been in will soon, hopefully, be coming to an end. > > 3. Activity requirements are back. > > What this means: > > Every player is supposed to post at least 1 post per week. Failure > leads to consequences, unless you let the GMs know what's going on and > ask for an LOA. > > Miss 3 consecutive weeks without an LOA, and you go byebye. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From pbuck11 at aol.com Sun Aug 10 00:18:48 2008 From: pbuck11 at aol.com (Patrick B) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:18:48 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] Dictatorial announcement. Message-ID: <489E6C28.3090801@aol.com> As I look over the fact WAR is now posting, and people are moving along, I have done what I was charged to do as Dictator, get folks posting, get the WR's regular (which they have been with some hiccups, mainly due to real life which happens. So I shall relinquish the powers and return to my farm, however we will need to elect new GMs to the Triumvate. Here is how the Triumvirate will work. 1) the 3 GM's are player/GM's who collaberate on the WR that does not involve their own country. Basically write it up, notes are taken. However we will be adding a deadline so we don't have the problem of waiting for input for weeks on end, which is how the problem started. 2) Secret actions will be sent to one GM which will be decided after the elections, unless it affects the GM's country then it will go to one of the other GM's then rules on as per normal. 3) We will try for every 2 weeks on a WR, or at least letting you know what's going on, real life does happen. How the elections will work is, the nominations will start tomorrow morning, I will send out the times. You will nominate anyone you want, even yourself if you want the job but you must have been in WAR for 3 months total, willing to work with a group, IM program preferred, and have a second from another player. THe nomination and seconding process will take 1 week, then the elections, you send your votes to myself and John, we count them top 3 are the Triumvirate... Any questions, comments, concerns, sour looks let me know. From dylandv at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 02:13:20 2008 From: dylandv at gmail.com (Dylan de Valk) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:13:20 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] We big again... In-Reply-To: <6b6ab8a70808092057k78ad4e8crefded48339265c33@mail.gmail.com> References: <6b6ab8a70808092057k78ad4e8crefded48339265c33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <763946e70808092313v50fd4fd0q29e2a4797d7862a6@mail.gmail.com> hey cool, it will be good to have you back again. and yes, i was unaware it was possible to be more selective. cheers, dylan On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Michael Downey < michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com> wrote: > Well hi there fellow writers, I'm Mike Downey, aka Leonid Nemerenko, > President of Russia. I'm something of a relic that many of you might > already know. Hope to interact with you all soon. > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:20 AM, John Penta wrote: > > All, > > > > With Mike Downey (who should say hi soon...HINT HINT MIKE) coming > > back as Russia, we're now...Absolutely huge. > > > > Twelve people, now. > > > > That's big. For those who remember when we were an amazingly tiny > > four people active, well...We've come a long way. > > > > Now, with our size comes some changes. > > > > Buckley and I have agreed on some things: > > > > 1. We're getting somewhat more selective on who we let in (I know > > some of you are going to go "More selective is possible?");. This is > > my work - I'm going to be more picky in what I let past setup stages, > > really. They've always been part test of skills and part negotiation, > > and now I'm going to bend a bit less. > > > > 2. Buckley will say more here, but the "dictatorship" period we've > > been in will soon, hopefully, be coming to an end. > > > > 3. 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From martellian at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 15:19:56 2008 From: martellian at hotmail.com (Ian Martell) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:19:56 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened In-Reply-To: <489F3CFC.2080401@aol.com> References: <489F3CFC.2080401@aol.com> Message-ID: I nominate John and Chris and Michael Downey, if Mike has the time and John and Chris promise not to kill each other. Ian -------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick B" Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:09 PM To: Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened > Ok folks, > > The Nominations for the GM Triumvirate are now open. > > Only requirement is a total of 3 months game time. > > What we'd like. > > Willing to work with a group, access to IM programs. > Decent time managment. > > Nominations will be open until saturday unless closed earlier. > > Then the election. Details to follow. > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From Chazenesq2b at aol.com Sun Aug 10 15:25:42 2008 From: Chazenesq2b at aol.com (Chazenesq2b at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:25:42 EDT Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened Message-ID: Can't promise I won't try to kill John, but I'll try to try ;-) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From Chazenesq2b at aol.com Sun Aug 10 16:34:18 2008 From: Chazenesq2b at aol.com (Chazenesq2b at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:34:18 EDT Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened Message-ID: Here's what I'd like to see, and feel free to debate it if you like. Two GMs... Pat and Lisa. Pat and Lisa have both proven to be good players, and although the time management thing sometimes comes up they're on the ball more often then not, and most importantly Pat's proven he's mostly impartial. Lisa doesn't really need to be impartial... she's stuck in Romania. ;-) And I'd like to see John made a recruitment officer, mainly because he's proven to be very 'very' good at welcoming people to the game, as I'm sure our newbies can attest to. I'm seeing it as being a separate office from the GMs, dealing solely with indoctrinating people to the methodology we use in writing, the basic ground rules, etc. What do you all think? **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080810/86c8d4d8/attachment.html From lee.tarnow at utoronto.ca Sun Aug 10 17:02:59 2008 From: lee.tarnow at utoronto.ca (lee.tarnow at utoronto.ca) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:02:59 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080810170259.0eiq81x1jk8wgw8k@webmail.utoronto.ca> I nominate Pat and Lisa as well. Quoting Chazenesq2b at aol.com: > Here's what I'd like to see, and feel free to debate it if you like. > > Two GMs... Pat and Lisa. > > Pat and Lisa have both proven to be good players, and although the time > management thing sometimes comes up they're on the ball more often > then not, and > most importantly Pat's proven he's mostly impartial. Lisa doesn't really > need to be impartial... she's stuck in Romania. ;-) > > And I'd like to see John made a recruitment officer, mainly because he's > proven to be very 'very' good at welcoming people to the game, as > I'm sure our > newbies can attest to. I'm seeing it as being a separate office > from the GMs, > dealing solely with indoctrinating people to the methodology we use in > writing, the basic ground rules, etc. > > What do you all think? > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > From dantheman2210 at yahoo.com.au Sun Aug 10 18:41:02 2008 From: dantheman2210 at yahoo.com.au (Daniel Sanderson) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened In-Reply-To: <20080810170259.0eiq81x1jk8wgw8k@webmail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <885394.89979.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmmmm...yeah, I nominate Pat and John, although John as the recruiting officer works too :D --- On Mon, 11/8/08, lee.tarnow at utoronto.ca wrote: > From: lee.tarnow at utoronto.ca > Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened > To: war_ooc at esteroic.com > Received: Monday, 11 August, 2008, 7:02 AM > I nominate Pat and Lisa as well. > > Quoting Chazenesq2b at aol.com: > > > Here's what I'd like to see, and feel free to > debate it if you like. > > > > Two GMs... Pat and Lisa. > > > > Pat and Lisa have both proven to be good players, and > although the time > > management thing sometimes comes up they're on the > ball more often > > then not, and > > most importantly Pat's proven he's mostly > impartial. Lisa doesn't really > > need to be impartial... she's stuck in Romania. > ;-) > > > > And I'd like to see John made a recruitment > officer, mainly because he's > > proven to be very 'very' good at welcoming > people to the game, as > > I'm sure our > > newbies can attest to. I'm seeing it as being a > separate office > > from the GMs, > > dealing solely with indoctrinating people to the > methodology we use in > > writing, the basic ground rules, etc. > > > > What do you all think? > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun > and fits in your budget? > > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > > > ) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset From john.penta at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 22:41:33 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:41:33 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened In-Reply-To: <885394.89979.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080810170259.0eiq81x1jk8wgw8k@webmail.utoronto.ca> <885394.89979.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I feel weird seeing such praise thrown my way. Nonetheless, okay. I'm not, however, sure about splitting recruiting stuff from the GMs - it's too important to the future of the game to split like that. Also, a good part of having the ability to persuade/nudge/attack with big sticks is being a GM - the *appearance* of such mattering almost more than any real GMly powers (though those come in handy when, in the final analysis, someone doesn't pass the crack test with an idea). It just plain *looks* better if newbies are met and shepherded to play by a GM - It shows we care. As the game gets bigger, I think that'll matter. But enough blabber: I accept the nomination. From vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 22:45:38 2008 From: vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com (Vampi Digitalwytch) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:45:38 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened In-Reply-To: References: <20080810170259.0eiq81x1jk8wgw8k@webmail.utoronto.ca> <885394.89979.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I accept my nomination as well. :) -- --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but damn, there ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. From pbuck11 at aol.com Sun Aug 10 22:47:27 2008 From: pbuck11 at aol.com (Patrick B) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:47:27 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened In-Reply-To: References: <20080810170259.0eiq81x1jk8wgw8k@webmail.utoronto.ca> <885394.89979.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <489FA83F.90306@aol.com> Same here From michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 22:54:25 2008 From: michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com (Michael Downey) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:24:25 -0230 Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened In-Reply-To: <489FA83F.90306@aol.com> References: <20080810170259.0eiq81x1jk8wgw8k@webmail.utoronto.ca> <885394.89979.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <489FA83F.90306@aol.com> Message-ID: <6b6ab8a70808101954pc221928wa5440a138f94108f@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Ian, but I'm not really sure I can accept my nomination. I would like to focus purely on writing for the time being. I appreciate the sentiment greatly, thought. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Patrick B wrote: > Same here > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From dylandv at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 23:49:42 2008 From: dylandv at gmail.com (Dylan de Valk) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:49:42 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] The nominations are now opened In-Reply-To: <6b6ab8a70808101954pc221928wa5440a138f94108f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080810170259.0eiq81x1jk8wgw8k@webmail.utoronto.ca> <885394.89979.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <489FA83F.90306@aol.com> <6b6ab8a70808101954pc221928wa5440a138f94108f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <763946e70808102049w8b6c258u9e1f3b35e030ce37@mail.gmail.com> i second john, pat, and lisa's nominations. i feel they are the most well suited and impartial people we have for the time being. 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People nominated and accepted, just for reference: Me Buckley Lisa Chris From Chazenesq2b at aol.com Tue Aug 12 07:48:39 2008 From: Chazenesq2b at aol.com (Chazenesq2b at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:48:39 EDT Subject: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR Message-ID: While we're voting on GM's, I'd like to table a re-organization plan for the game. I think there have always been some faults in the triumvirate set up. It's been said you have 3 GMs to balance out the power of any one, but the fact of the matter is those of us who have been around know the GMs too well for this system to actually work. What happens more often then not is 1 GM does something, and the others back him/her up on it normally without question, and thus defeating the whole purpose of the 3 GM scheme. This is nobody's 'fault', let me state that emphatically before people start complaining that I'm bad mouthing them. It's simply a natural evolution of things when you've come to know and befriend your fellow players. It's unavoidable. That being said, I think it 'is' fixable. I still propose a 2 GM system, though what I would like to see is something along this set up. GM 1 GM 2 AGM- Recruitment AGM- Discipline >From experience, I can tell you that a LOT of work goes into World Reports, especially World Reports encompassing 12 played nations. Therefore I think the work for the WRs definitely needs to be split among more than one person. 2 GMs, both of whom would have the power to recruit any additional help they so desire, would be the best way to handle this. And from experience, I can also tell you that a LOT of the reasoning many GMs don't get WRs out on time has to do with Recruitment and Discipline. A GMs job encompasses a lot with just the WR, so I would like to see AGM positions established who's primary duties will include 'breaking in the newbies', the standard meet and greet kind of stuff; and for handling disciplinary issues among the playing staff. By Discipline I DO NOT mean yelling at people, but we've had some fights over the list, and someone willing to work things out OOC with players could take a lot of the burden off of the shoulders of the GMs. This should be seen as a distinct job from the GM's 'carrot and stick' power IC. Naturally, both AGMs would be elected, and report to the GMs. (Hence why they're AGMs) How's that sound? - Chris **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080812/fe9a7869/attachment.html From michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 08:14:13 2008 From: michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com (Michael Downey) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:44:13 -0230 Subject: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6b6ab8a70808120514jeeb975chbba1bf2e1295f778@mail.gmail.com> It sounds like a very reasonable and workable system of organization for the GM system. I see how it could streamline the production of the WR every cycle and better facilitate communication between players and the GMs over issue and concerns. -Mike On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:18 AM, wrote: > While we're voting on GM's, I'd like to table a re-organization plan for the > game. I think there have always been some faults in the triumvirate set > up. It's been said you have 3 GMs to balance out the power of any one, but > the fact of the matter is those of us who have been around know the GMs too > well for this system to actually work. What happens more often then not is > 1 GM does something, and the others back him/her up on it normally without > question, and thus defeating the whole purpose of the 3 GM scheme. > > This is nobody's 'fault', let me state that emphatically before people start > complaining that I'm bad mouthing them. It's simply a natural evolution of > things when you've come to know and befriend your fellow players. It's > unavoidable. > > That being said, I think it 'is' fixable. I still propose a 2 GM system, > though what I would like to see is something along this set up. > > GM 1 > GM 2 > > AGM- Recruitment > AGM- Discipline > > From experience, I can tell you that a LOT of work goes into World Reports, > especially World Reports encompassing 12 played nations. Therefore I think > the work for the WRs definitely needs to be split among more than one > person. 2 GMs, both of whom would have the power to recruit any additional > help they so desire, would be the best way to handle this. > > And from experience, I can also tell you that a LOT of the reasoning many > GMs don't get WRs out on time has to do with Recruitment and Discipline. A > GMs job encompasses a lot with just the WR, so I would like to see AGM > positions established who's primary duties will include 'breaking in the > newbies', the standard meet and greet kind of stuff; and for handling > disciplinary issues among the playing staff. By Discipline I DO NOT mean > yelling at people, but we've had some fights over the list, and someone > willing to work things out OOC with players could take a lot of the burden > off of the shoulders of the GMs. This should be seen as a distinct job from > the GM's 'carrot and stick' power IC. > > Naturally, both AGMs would be elected, and report to the GMs. (Hence why > they're AGMs) > > How's that sound? > > - Chris > > > ________________________________ > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews > on AOL Autos. > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > From dantheman2210 at yahoo.com.au Tue Aug 12 08:21:29 2008 From: dantheman2210 at yahoo.com.au (Daniel Sanderson) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR In-Reply-To: <6b6ab8a70808120514jeeb975chbba1bf2e1295f778@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <379256.57461.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, none of this bothers me all that much, I just do my writing and generally don't have any problems. My main worry would be that we become top-heavy, with 50% of the players holding leadership positions etc. But I just do what I'm told :D --- On Tue, 12/8/08, Michael Downey wrote: > From: Michael Downey > Subject: Re: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR > To: war_ooc at esteroic.com > Received: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:14 PM > It sounds like a very reasonable and workable system of > organization > for the GM system. I see how it could streamline the > production of the > WR every cycle and better facilitate communication between > players and > the GMs over issue and concerns. > > -Mike > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:18 AM, > wrote: > > While we're voting on GM's, I'd like to > table a re-organization plan for the > > game. I think there have always been some faults in > the triumvirate set > > up. It's been said you have 3 GMs to balance out > the power of any one, but > > the fact of the matter is those of us who have been > around know the GMs too > > well for this system to actually work. What happens > more often then not is > > 1 GM does something, and the others back him/her up on > it normally without > > question, and thus defeating the whole purpose of the > 3 GM scheme. > > > > This is nobody's 'fault', let me state > that emphatically before people start > > complaining that I'm bad mouthing them. It's > simply a natural evolution of > > things when you've come to know and befriend your > fellow players. It's > > unavoidable. > > > > That being said, I think it 'is' fixable. I > still propose a 2 GM system, > > though what I would like to see is something along > this set up. > > > > GM 1 > > GM 2 > > > > AGM- Recruitment > > AGM- Discipline > > > > From experience, I can tell you that a LOT of work > goes into World Reports, > > especially World Reports encompassing 12 played > nations. Therefore I think > > the work for the WRs definitely needs to be split > among more than one > > person. 2 GMs, both of whom would have the power to > recruit any additional > > help they so desire, would be the best way to handle > this. > > > > And from experience, I can also tell you that a LOT of > the reasoning many > > GMs don't get WRs out on time has to do with > Recruitment and Discipline. A > > GMs job encompasses a lot with just the WR, so I would > like to see AGM > > positions established who's primary duties will > include 'breaking in the > > newbies', the standard meet and greet kind of > stuff; and for handling > > disciplinary issues among the playing staff. By > Discipline I DO NOT mean > > yelling at people, but we've had some fights over > the list, and someone > > willing to work things out OOC with players could take > a lot of the burden > > off of the shoulders of the GMs. This should be seen > as a distinct job from > > the GM's 'carrot and stick' power IC. > > > > Naturally, both AGMs would be elected, and report to > the GMs. (Hence why > > they're AGMs) > > > > How's that sound? > > > > - Chris > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in > your budget? Read reviews > > on AOL Autos. > > _______________________________________________ > > War_ooc mailing list > > War_ooc at esteroic.com > > > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset From michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 11:02:10 2008 From: michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com (Michael Downey) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:32:10 -0230 Subject: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR In-Reply-To: <379256.57461.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6b6ab8a70808120514jeeb975chbba1bf2e1295f778@mail.gmail.com> <379256.57461.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6b6ab8a70808120802k2fa8afebjb5ce298c831bd7e4@mail.gmail.com> I don't really see the big difference of having four players as the administration as being any more top heavy than three. I actually think it would be more efficient, with the labor of doing the WR and running the game more diffused. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Daniel Sanderson wrote: > Well, none of this bothers me all that much, I just do my writing and generally don't have any problems. My main worry would be that we become top-heavy, with 50% of the players holding leadership positions etc. > > But I just do what I'm told :D > > > > --- On Tue, 12/8/08, Michael Downey wrote: > >> From: Michael Downey >> Subject: Re: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR >> To: war_ooc at esteroic.com >> Received: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:14 PM >> It sounds like a very reasonable and workable system of >> organization >> for the GM system. I see how it could streamline the >> production of the >> WR every cycle and better facilitate communication between >> players and >> the GMs over issue and concerns. >> >> -Mike >> >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:18 AM, >> wrote: >> > While we're voting on GM's, I'd like to >> table a re-organization plan for the >> > game. I think there have always been some faults in >> the triumvirate set >> > up. It's been said you have 3 GMs to balance out >> the power of any one, but >> > the fact of the matter is those of us who have been >> around know the GMs too >> > well for this system to actually work. What happens >> more often then not is >> > 1 GM does something, and the others back him/her up on >> it normally without >> > question, and thus defeating the whole purpose of the >> 3 GM scheme. >> > >> > This is nobody's 'fault', let me state >> that emphatically before people start >> > complaining that I'm bad mouthing them. It's >> simply a natural evolution of >> > things when you've come to know and befriend your >> fellow players. It's >> > unavoidable. >> > >> > That being said, I think it 'is' fixable. I >> still propose a 2 GM system, >> > though what I would like to see is something along >> this set up. >> > >> > GM 1 >> > GM 2 >> > >> > AGM- Recruitment >> > AGM- Discipline >> > >> > From experience, I can tell you that a LOT of work >> goes into World Reports, >> > especially World Reports encompassing 12 played >> nations. Therefore I think >> > the work for the WRs definitely needs to be split >> among more than one >> > person. 2 GMs, both of whom would have the power to >> recruit any additional >> > help they so desire, would be the best way to handle >> this. >> > >> > And from experience, I can also tell you that a LOT of >> the reasoning many >> > GMs don't get WRs out on time has to do with >> Recruitment and Discipline. A >> > GMs job encompasses a lot with just the WR, so I would >> like to see AGM >> > positions established who's primary duties will >> include 'breaking in the >> > newbies', the standard meet and greet kind of >> stuff; and for handling >> > disciplinary issues among the playing staff. By >> Discipline I DO NOT mean >> > yelling at people, but we've had some fights over >> the list, and someone >> > willing to work things out OOC with players could take >> a lot of the burden >> > off of the shoulders of the GMs. This should be seen >> as a distinct job from >> > the GM's 'carrot and stick' power IC. >> > >> > Naturally, both AGMs would be elected, and report to >> the GMs. (Hence why >> > they're AGMs) >> > >> > How's that sound? >> > >> > - Chris >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in >> your budget? Read reviews >> > on AOL Autos. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > War_ooc mailing list >> > War_ooc at esteroic.com >> > >> http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> War_ooc mailing list >> War_ooc at esteroic.com >> http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > > Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From john.penta at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 11:17:38 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:17:38 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR In-Reply-To: <6b6ab8a70808120802k2fa8afebjb5ce298c831bd7e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6b6ab8a70808120514jeeb975chbba1bf2e1295f778@mail.gmail.com> <379256.57461.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6b6ab8a70808120802k2fa8afebjb5ce298c831bd7e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It -does- seem top-heavy, personally - 1/3 of the game in leadership positions. I'd also rather we had more flexibility - there are certainly some weeks I'd like the opportunity to not think about the newbies and just focus on the WR (which is, despite our bitching, kinda fun to write), and I wonder how many arguments there really are for a discipline AGM to settle. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Michael Downey wrote: > I don't really see the big difference of having four players as the > administration as being any more top heavy than three. I actually > think it would be more efficient, with the labor of doing the WR and > running the game more diffused. > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Daniel Sanderson > wrote: >> Well, none of this bothers me all that much, I just do my writing and generally don't have any problems. My main worry would be that we become top-heavy, with 50% of the players holding leadership positions etc. From pbuck11 at aol.com Tue Aug 12 11:37:09 2008 From: pbuck11 at aol.com (pbuck11 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:37:09 +0000 Subject: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR Message-ID: <137597642-1218555427-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-540824107-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have to concur while on paper its a great idea we don't need a discpline agm at this time. If we had 20 fokls or so it woukd be a good idea. ------Original Message------ From: John Penta Sender: To: war_ooc at esteroic.com ReplyTo: war_ooc at esteroic.com Sent: Aug 12, 2008 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR It -does- seem top-heavy, personally - 1/3 of the game in leadership positions. I'd also rather we had more flexibility - there are certainly some weeks I'd like the opportunity to not think about the newbies and just focus on the WR (which is, despite our bitching, kinda fun to write), and I wonder how many arguments there really are for a discipline AGM to settle. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Michael Downey wrote: > I don't really see the big difference of having four players as the > administration as being any more top heavy than three. I actually > think it would be more efficient, with the labor of doing the WR and > running the game more diffused. > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Daniel Sanderson > wrote: >> Well, none of this bothers me all that much, I just do my writing and generally don't have any problems. My main worry would be that we become top-heavy, with 50% of the players holding leadership positions etc. _______________________________________________ War_ooc mailing list War_ooc at esteroic.com http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From Chazenesq2b at aol.com Tue Aug 12 19:39:06 2008 From: Chazenesq2b at aol.com (Chazenesq2b at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:39:06 EDT Subject: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR Message-ID: I don't see how it would be too top heavy. We have 12 players now, and I don't see how an 'AGM' is a leadership position when they need to report to the GMs in turn. More over, although World Reports can be fun to write, we have had problems in the past with people abusing their authority... GMs going at each other, etc. A discipline AGM would be a great way to let all concerned parties have their worries mediated. If you're worried about being pidgeon holed into one category, just have the AGMs and GMs revolve. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080812/73433e6d/attachment.html From dylandv at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 20:37:43 2008 From: dylandv at gmail.com (Dylan de Valk) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:37:43 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <763946e70808121737x7096c36ah571b741a2ddc7626@mail.gmail.com> then why not just have 4 GM's? im mean really, it doesnt matter what way we do this. what matters is that everything is done fairly and on time. Whether it takes 2,3, or 4 GM's doesn't matter. right now, i think 3 sounds good. if things dont work out, we'll change it. big woop. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:39 PM, wrote: > I don't see how it would be too top heavy. We have 12 players now, and I > don't see how an 'AGM' is a leadership position when they need to report to > the GMs in turn. > > More over, although World Reports can be fun to write, we have had problems > in the past with people abusing their authority... GMs going at each other, > etc. A discipline AGM would be a great way to let all concerned parties > have their worries mediated. If you're worried about being pidgeon holed > into one category, just have the AGMs and GMs revolve. > > > > ------------------------------ > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews > on AOL Autos > . > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080812/8f14829b/attachment.html From vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 20:46:54 2008 From: vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com (Vampi Digitalwytch) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:46:54 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] Thoughts on WAR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Speaking from waaaaaay too much experience, too many GMs and even AGMs can spoil things even when well intentioned. WAR's done well with The Big Three even when I thought it was a bit odd considering the low in comparison to other sims writer base. Taking into account I have been in sims with 30+ people with just one GM and two AGMs with things still running pretty smoothly (hell, I've even been the GM in situations like that, and whooo the stories I can tell...), while the current writer base in WAR is one of the highest I've seen during my time here combined, I do feel the Big Three leadership can easily handle that. Now if we had double our current membership, plus some twinkers notorious for pulling the bull ala that Gundam robots guy, then yeah, I can see us needing a rework on leadership without question. I think we should file Chris' idea as a good concept that will be worth going with down the road should the situations change, but for now, we should stick with what's tried and true worked. > I don't see how it would be too top heavy. We have 12 players now, and I > don't see how an 'AGM' is a leadership position when they need to report to > the GMs in turn. > > More over, although World Reports can be fun to write, we have had problems > in the past with people abusing their authority... GMs going at each other, > etc. A discipline AGM would be a great way to let all concerned parties > have their worries mediated. If you're worried about being pidgeon holed > into one category, just have the AGMs and GMs revolve. > -- --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but damn, there ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. From john.penta at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 20:53:25 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:53:25 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Elections! Message-ID: Okay...Seeing no objection to closing nominations early, Buckley has nudged me (as his adminislave) to announce the next step. Voting! There are 4 people running. 3 slots. Everybody gets 1 vote - the top 3 winners get it. (We'll figure out a tie...later.) Send your vote (entitled "WAR GM vote") to pbuck11 at aol.com AND John.Penta at gmail.com -in the same email-. Voting will close 1201 AM EDT Saturday, or when everybody in WAR has voted. Whichever is earlier. Please, let's all vote quickly. John From john.penta at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 20:57:15 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:57:15 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Allow me to amend that Message-ID: Send it to chazenesqb2 at aol.com too. Ooops. From pbuck11 at aol.com Tue Aug 12 21:01:36 2008 From: pbuck11 at aol.com (Patrick B) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:01:36 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] CHange of plans Message-ID: <48A23270.7070405@aol.com> Ok everything John said is correct, but rather then have folks vote for one person vote for your top 3, just because folks started it that way so we will continue that way everything else applies. WAR elections it's like herding cats with poli sci degrees. From john.penta at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 21:08:58 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:08:58 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] CHange of plans In-Reply-To: <48A23270.7070405@aol.com> References: <48A23270.7070405@aol.com> Message-ID: This is why no country will ever ask us to run their elections. John On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Patrick B wrote: > Ok everything John said is correct, but rather then have folks vote for > one person vote for your top 3, just because folks started it that way > so we will continue that way everything else applies. > > WAR elections it's like herding cats with poli sci degrees. > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From pbuck11 at aol.com Tue Aug 12 21:09:59 2008 From: pbuck11 at aol.com (Patrick B) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:09:59 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] CHange of plans In-Reply-To: References: <48A23270.7070405@aol.com> Message-ID: <48A23467.3030407@aol.com> My god we do this to Venezuela Chavez would get defeated by Longcat or something. From martellian at hotmail.com Wed Aug 13 01:28:47 2008 From: martellian at hotmail.com (Ian Martell) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:28:47 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] Elections! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So then if it's three votes: Chris John Pat -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Penta" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:53 PM To: Subject: [War_ooc] Elections! > Okay...Seeing no objection to closing nominations early, Buckley has > nudged me (as his adminislave) to announce the next step. > > Voting! > > There are 4 people running. 3 slots. > > Everybody gets 1 vote - the top 3 winners get it. > > (We'll figure out a tie...later.) > > Send your vote (entitled "WAR GM vote") to pbuck11 at aol.com AND > John.Penta at gmail.com -in the same email-. > > Voting will close 1201 AM EDT Saturday, or when everybody in WAR has > voted. Whichever is earlier. > > Please, let's all vote quickly. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From iain at iain-waddell.co.uk Wed Aug 13 18:45:05 2008 From: iain at iain-waddell.co.uk (Iain) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:45:05 +0100 Subject: [War_ooc] AIM Message-ID: <3F215315AC4548B4A75CCB4D80C6CA1B@iainw> Hi guys Just to let you know that I now (finally) have AIM pmelenarodriguez is my screename Iain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080813/88bd55d5/attachment.html From john.penta at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 20:06:42 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:06:42 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] We have winners Message-ID: Finishing up the 2008 WAR GM election, our last vote has finally arrived (We're not waiting for those on LOA). The results are: John 7 Buckley 6 Lisa 5 Chris 3 As such, the GMs are now: Me, Buckley, and Lisa. Congratulations to the winners, and let's get back to the game. From martellian at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 20:52:33 2008 From: martellian at hotmail.com (Ian Martell) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:52:33 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] We have winners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats to the winners! So when's the WR coming out? =P -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Penta" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:06 PM To: Subject: [War_ooc] We have winners > Finishing up the 2008 WAR GM election, our last vote has finally > arrived (We're not waiting for those on LOA). > > The results are: > John 7 > Buckley 6 > Lisa 5 > Chris 3 > > As such, the GMs are now: Me, Buckley, and Lisa. > > Congratulations to the winners, and let's get back to the game. > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 20:55:16 2008 From: vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com (Vampi Digitalwytch) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:55:16 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] We have winners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We're working on it, though hopefully no appearances of Kaiju. > Congrats to the winners! So when's the WR coming out? =P > -- --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but damn, there ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. From martellian at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 21:12:11 2008 From: martellian at hotmail.com (Ian Martell) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:12:11 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] We have winners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Much thanks! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Vampi Digitalwytch" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:55 PM To: Subject: Re: [War_ooc] We have winners > We're working on it, though hopefully no appearances of Kaiju. > > >> Congrats to the winners! So when's the WR coming out? =P >> > > -- > --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but damn, there > ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From Chazenesq2b at aol.com Fri Aug 15 21:14:12 2008 From: Chazenesq2b at aol.com (Chazenesq2b at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:14:12 EDT Subject: [War_ooc] We have winners Message-ID: Congrats to the winners :-) With regards to the WR, can we get some non-action news flashes involved? Maybe something that tests our abilities to respond to something other than suicide bombings or natural disasters? **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But part of the problem is simply thinking stuff up - things going splat is easy, things just happening is hard.:) On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM, wrote: > Congrats to the winners :-) > > With regards to the WR, can we get some non-action news flashes involved? > Maybe something that tests our abilities to respond to something other than > suicide bombings or natural disasters? > > > ________________________________ > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews > on AOL Autos. > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > From Chazenesq2b at aol.com Fri Aug 15 21:21:38 2008 From: Chazenesq2b at aol.com (Chazenesq2b at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:21:38 EDT Subject: [War_ooc] We have winners Message-ID: Sato's got some daughter issues to attend to as well ;-) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080815/35812417/attachment.html From martellian at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 21:26:40 2008 From: martellian at hotmail.com (Ian Martell) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:26:40 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] We have winners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Only a little... From: Chazenesq2b at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:21 PM To: war_ooc at esteroic.com Subject: Re: [War_ooc] We have winners Sato's got some daughter issues to attend to as well ;-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ War_ooc mailing list War_ooc at esteroic.com http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080815/cdabcd6c/attachment.html From martellian at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 21:36:59 2008 From: martellian at hotmail.com (Ian Martell) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:36:59 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] We have winners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: True crisis of the week stuff does tend to be our theme however, there is plenty of fodder in posts to make things happen. Instead of dealing with some of the more complex post actions as a matter of yes or no, throw in some complications to overcome, or make the result 'yes but...' and add a choice between success with a drawback or scrapping the plan and moving ahead. But anyhow that's my two cents. -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Penta" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:21 PM To: Subject: Re: [War_ooc] We have winners > Request noted - If I'm thinking what I think you're thinking, it's > something I really want to do, to get WAR away from our "crisis of the > week" mentality. But part of the problem is simply thinking stuff up - > things going splat is easy, things just happening is hard.:) > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM, wrote: >> Congrats to the winners :-) >> >> With regards to the WR, can we get some non-action news flashes involved? >> Maybe something that tests our abilities to respond to something other >> than >> suicide bombings or natural disasters? >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read >> reviews >> on AOL Autos. >> _______________________________________________ >> War_ooc mailing list >> War_ooc at esteroic.com >> http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From dylandv at gmail.com Sat Aug 16 01:58:34 2008 From: dylandv at gmail.com (Dylan de Valk) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:58:34 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] We have winners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <763946e70808152258n3bc9832aq3c726bfd27c00784@mail.gmail.com> yea i think thats a great idea there, to have more news in the WR than just crises to deal with. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Ian Martell wrote: > True crisis of the week stuff does tend to be our theme however, there is > plenty of fodder in posts to make things happen. Instead of dealing with > some of the more complex post actions as a matter of yes or no, throw in > some complications to overcome, or make the result 'yes but...' and add a > choice between success with a drawback or scrapping the plan and moving > ahead. > > But anyhow that's my two cents. > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "John Penta" > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:21 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [War_ooc] We have winners > > > Request noted - If I'm thinking what I think you're thinking, it's > > something I really want to do, to get WAR away from our "crisis of the > > week" mentality. But part of the problem is simply thinking stuff up - > > things going splat is easy, things just happening is hard.:) > > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM, wrote: > >> Congrats to the winners :-) > >> > >> With regards to the WR, can we get some non-action news flashes > involved? > >> Maybe something that tests our abilities to respond to something other > >> than > >> suicide bombings or natural disasters? > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read > >> reviews > >> on AOL Autos. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> War_ooc mailing list > >> War_ooc at esteroic.com > >> http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > War_ooc mailing list > > War_ooc at esteroic.com > > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080815/107220fb/attachment.html From john.penta at gmail.com Sat Aug 16 20:33:50 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:33:50 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Doh. Date correction. Message-ID: I shoulda caught this earlier, but didn't. The date is now Aug 2-Aug 16, 2014. Damn that Titivillus. From john.penta at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 13:51:17 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:51:17 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] So who do you shoot at? Message-ID: As WAR has our very own Chinese Commando Crisis, I'm so happy not to be dealing with this: http://iht.com/articles/2008/08/21/america/21diplo.php John From martellian at hotmail.com Fri Aug 22 02:26:56 2008 From: martellian at hotmail.com (Ian Martell) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:26:56 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? Message-ID: Hey folks, Random thought came to mind with the whole hottest female leader thing. What do our world leaders look like? I've always imagined Sato would be 'cast' as Sonny Chiba. http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Sonny%20Chiba-2.jpg Anyone else have pic for what their leader looks like? Ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080821/3d00992f/attachment.html From ssiruuk25 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 02:56:09 2008 From: ssiruuk25 at yahoo.com (Dan Garcia) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? Message-ID: <961847.89664.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'm not sure who would look like Legrand. I have a vivid image of him in my mind. I guess he's a kind of a taller, bit leaner, and more affluent looking version of Alfred from the Batman films of the 90's in appearance. He's someone who's very tall (7+ feet), but fairly thin. His bearing and posture are very good, refined, perhaps aristocratic. His hair is a darkish silver, and he still has most of it. He wears glasses, with smallish/circular lenses and gold-colored frames. He has a long nose and is thin faced, with an overall grandfatherly look. He generally dresses well, has a penchant for nice vests where he keeps an old fashioned pocket watch. In that way and general appearance, he's kind of old fashioned. Anyway, that's what I see him as. Anyone think of anyone better to fit that description. Dan ----- Original Message ---- From: Ian Martell To: war_ooc Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:26:56 AM Subject: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? Hey folks, Random thought came to mind with the whole hottest female leader thing. What do our world leaders look like? I've always imagined Sato would be 'cast' as Sonny Chiba. http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Sonny%20Chiba-2.jpg Anyone else have pic for what their leader looks like? Ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080821/cb2caeb3/attachment.html From vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 08:14:26 2008 From: vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com (Vampi Digitalwytch) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:14:26 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oddly enough, out of all my characters in simming, I've never really assigned a look to Antanasia short of female with dark hair. Guess if I had to pick someone, it'd probably be Caroline Munro (Google search does have more eye candy shots). http://www.carlosaguilar.net/galeria_big/ConCarolineMunro.jpg On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Ian Martell wrote: > Hey folks, > > Random thought came to mind with the whole hottest female leader thing. What > do our world leaders look like? I've always imagined Sato would be 'cast' as > Sonny Chiba. > > http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Sonny%20Chiba-2.jpg > > Anyone else have pic for what their leader looks like? > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > -- --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but damn, there ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. From dantheman2210 at yahoo.com.au Fri Aug 22 10:00:38 2008 From: dantheman2210 at yahoo.com.au (Daniel Sanderson) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <541242.926.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To me, I guess Aussie PM Decker is a bit like, I dunno, Eric Bana? He's youthful, handsome, can look angry as all hell or kind and soft, hehe. --- On Fri, 22/8/08, Vampi Digitalwytch wrote: > From: Vampi Digitalwytch > Subject: Re: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? > To: war_ooc at esteroic.com > Received: Friday, 22 August, 2008, 10:14 PM > Oddly enough, out of all my characters in simming, I've > never really > assigned a look to Antanasia short of female with dark > hair. Guess if > I had to pick someone, it'd probably be Caroline Munro > (Google search > does have more eye candy shots). > > http://www.carlosaguilar.net/galeria_big/ConCarolineMunro.jpg > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Ian Martell > wrote: > > Hey folks, > > > > Random thought came to mind with the whole hottest > female leader thing. What > > do our world leaders look like? I've always > imagined Sato would be 'cast' as > > Sonny Chiba. > > > > > http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Sonny%20Chiba-2.jpg > > > > Anyone else have pic for what their leader looks like? > > > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > > War_ooc mailing list > > War_ooc at esteroic.com > > > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > > > > > > > -- > --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but > damn, there > ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset From iain at iain-waddell.co.uk Fri Aug 22 11:32:57 2008 From: iain at iain-waddell.co.uk (Iain) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:32:57 +0100 Subject: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? In-Reply-To: <541242.926.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <541242.926.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19A68A277A554E8D902498D6D9AA9614@iainw> I guess I was thinking something along there lines with Elena: http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z212/DonaldDriverfan/CanalsM1.jpg -----Original Message----- From: war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com [mailto:war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sanderson Sent: 22 August 2008 15:01 To: war_ooc at esteroic.com Subject: Re: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? To me, I guess Aussie PM Decker is a bit like, I dunno, Eric Bana? He's youthful, handsome, can look angry as all hell or kind and soft, hehe. --- On Fri, 22/8/08, Vampi Digitalwytch wrote: > From: Vampi Digitalwytch > Subject: Re: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? > To: war_ooc at esteroic.com > Received: Friday, 22 August, 2008, 10:14 PM > Oddly enough, out of all my characters in simming, I've > never really > assigned a look to Antanasia short of female with dark > hair. Guess if > I had to pick someone, it'd probably be Caroline Munro > (Google search > does have more eye candy shots). > > http://www.carlosaguilar.net/galeria_big/ConCarolineMunro.jpg > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Ian Martell > wrote: > > Hey folks, > > > > Random thought came to mind with the whole hottest > female leader thing. What > > do our world leaders look like? I've always > imagined Sato would be 'cast' as > > Sonny Chiba. > > > > > http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Sonny%20Chiba-2.jpg > > > > Anyone else have pic for what their leader looks like? > > > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > > War_ooc mailing list > > War_ooc at esteroic.com > > > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > > > > > > > -- > --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but > damn, there > ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset _______________________________________________ War_ooc mailing list War_ooc at esteroic.com http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com From john.penta at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 13:43:31 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:43:31 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? In-Reply-To: <19A68A277A554E8D902498D6D9AA9614@iainw> References: <541242.926.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19A68A277A554E8D902498D6D9AA9614@iainw> Message-ID: I dunno who Williams would look like. I'll think about it while I'm at the gym. John On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Iain wrote: > I guess I was thinking something along there lines with Elena: > http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z212/DonaldDriverfan/CanalsM1.jpg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com [mailto:war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com] On > Behalf Of Daniel Sanderson > Sent: 22 August 2008 15:01 > To: war_ooc at esteroic.com > Subject: Re: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? > > To me, I guess Aussie PM Decker is a bit like, I dunno, Eric Bana? He's > youthful, handsome, can look angry as all hell or kind and soft, hehe. > > > --- On Fri, 22/8/08, Vampi Digitalwytch > wrote: > >> From: Vampi Digitalwytch >> Subject: Re: [War_ooc] So who do they look like? >> To: war_ooc at esteroic.com >> Received: Friday, 22 August, 2008, 10:14 PM >> Oddly enough, out of all my characters in simming, I've >> never really >> assigned a look to Antanasia short of female with dark >> hair. Guess if >> I had to pick someone, it'd probably be Caroline Munro >> (Google search >> does have more eye candy shots). >> >> http://www.carlosaguilar.net/galeria_big/ConCarolineMunro.jpg >> >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Ian Martell >> wrote: >> > Hey folks, >> > >> > Random thought came to mind with the whole hottest >> female leader thing. What >> > do our world leaders look like? I've always >> imagined Sato would be 'cast' as >> > Sonny Chiba. >> > >> > >> http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Sonny%20Chiba-2.jpg >> > >> > Anyone else have pic for what their leader looks like? >> > >> > Ian >> > _______________________________________________ >> > War_ooc mailing list >> > War_ooc at esteroic.com >> > >> http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but >> damn, there >> ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> War_ooc mailing list >> War_ooc at esteroic.com >> http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > > Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 22:12:50 2008 From: vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com (Vampi Digitalwytch) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:12:50 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] [War] China: "Pressing the Advantage" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since I've stated it and clarified it in another post, private businesses are being allowed to carry on same ol' same ol'-no changes, hell if a private company wants to open up business in Romania they are more than welcome, as far as the big governmental loans and all, that's where the calling it done is. > > 5. Gently remind Romania (through a 'tourist') that Chinese firms 'do' hold > business in Romania. (see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3808437.stm) > > a. If Romania agrees to enforce it's own laws and protect the > investments of private businesses from other nations, China will unfreeze > Romanian assets. -- --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but damn, there ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. From Chazenesq2b at aol.com Fri Aug 22 22:14:05 2008 From: Chazenesq2b at aol.com (Chazenesq2b at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:14:05 EDT Subject: [War_ooc] [War] China: "Pressing the Advantage" Message-ID: Ok then, No frozen Romanian assets. Per my first post, they were only supposed to be seized until the MoC verified there was no debt anyway. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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Find your travel deal here. > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > > -- --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but damn, there ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. From dylandv at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 01:06:29 2008 From: dylandv at gmail.com (Dylan de Valk) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:06:29 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] ok, you know, this is enough Message-ID: <763946e70808222206g2c5aa526g5dc0929d25c27246@mail.gmail.com> hey everyone, im starting to feel frustrated and angry. with this last post by chris i feel like this is becoming a personal mudslinging competition between me and chris, which is totally not cool. obviously, by including that last ooc message in his last post, he means the complete opposite. WAR is meant to be fun. ive been doing my damnedest to keep my posts from feeling like they are attacking you chris, and i feel like you need to reciprocate. if you cant keep this IC, im going to throw in the towel and take a break from it all. WAR is not fun when this is happening. i am keeping to my tradition of being direct. im bringing this to the attention of the community because i cant stand it when things like this start happening. this is starting to feel distinctly like the flaming i have seen and experienced in some forums ive been involved with in the past. if there is going to be flaming, i will be gone so fast you wont have time to blink. i am not willing to keep posting if chris is going to be a jackass. maybe its just me, maybe not, but since ive opened this can of worms, we need to finish what we've started in a civilized, open, non-flaming way. sincererly, dylan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080822/810b2f6f/attachment.html From vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 01:20:19 2008 From: vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com (Vampi Digitalwytch) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:20:19 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] ok, you know, this is enough In-Reply-To: <763946e70808222206g2c5aa526g5dc0929d25c27246@mail.gmail.com> References: <763946e70808222206g2c5aa526g5dc0929d25c27246@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Normally I would address something like this offlist, but in light of how things have been and all, might as well speak out for all. To start off, I really do more than understand the feeling jumped on. Been there myself in my earlier days with the game and with how I felt I wasn't being listened to, it was enough to make me really not feel like even posting the bare minimums to at least let people know my email was still active. Going from the secret action sent, we three GMs did read it over and discuss which led to our approving it as we felt it was good enough to get some action going. Boy did it get action going since checking recent post count...to sum it up in one word 'whoooo'. But in light of responses and such that were coming across as dogpiling here and there, and offlist discussions at length, Chris has decided to go on a break from the game for the time being due to some RL things as it is uncertain as to when he'd come back rather than the traditional LOA. As far as China's standing and actions at this point, we GMs are going to hash that out and decide from there. As far as the rest, as always, we shall hash that out in game and see where the writing brings us. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Dylan de Valk wrote: > hey everyone, > > im starting to feel frustrated and angry. with this last post by chris i > feel like this is becoming a personal mudslinging competition between me and > chris, which is totally not cool. obviously, by including that last ooc > message in his last post, he means the complete opposite. > > WAR is meant to be fun. ive been doing my damnedest to keep my posts from > feeling like they are attacking you chris, and i feel like you need to > reciprocate. if you cant keep this IC, im going to throw in the towel and > take a break from it all. WAR is not fun when this is happening. > > i am keeping to my tradition of being direct. im bringing this to the > attention of the community because i cant stand it when things like this > start happening. this is starting to feel distinctly like the flaming i > have seen and experienced in some forums ive been involved with in the > past. if there is going to be flaming, i will be gone so fast you wont have > time to blink. > > i am not willing to keep posting if chris is going to be a jackass. maybe > its just me, maybe not, but since ive opened this can of worms, we need to > finish what we've started in a civilized, open, non-flaming way. > > sincererly, > dylan > _______________________________________________ -- --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but damn, there ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. From john.penta at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 14:00:17 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:00:17 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] [War] Spain: "Home Affairs." In-Reply-To: <20080824135401.o6hvbjsyqs44gcoo@webmail.utoronto.ca> References: <802273D20091449DAFDFBA497700475D@iainw> <20080824135401.o6hvbjsyqs44gcoo@webmail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: We have the OOC list for stuff like this guys.:) On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 1:54 PM, wrote: > I just felt like making my services known: > > I'm a practicing electrical engineer, and have talked to John, Lisa, > and Buckley about staying on as a technology advisor. If anyone would > like to hear what solutions are available to them in terms of power > generation/transmission/etc., feel free to email me, and I'll give you > a run down of what's available to you. > > -- Lee > > > _______________________________________________ > War mailing list > War at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_esteroic.com > From pbuck11 at aol.com Wed Aug 27 00:05:59 2008 From: pbuck11 at aol.com (Patrick B) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:05:59 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] Germany 2014 Message-ID: <48B4D2A7.3030109@aol.com> Leader: Klaus Menzel Country: Germany Ruling Party/Coalition: Christian Democratic Union Political Landscape: The Economic downturn of 2008 really hit the Christian Democratic Party hard, there was a mishmash of governments and chaos, though Germany did their best to survive and the German miracle continued, however there was an increase in more conservative elements including some fascist parties that tried to disguise their true intentions. Several pro German parties rose up, and parties were becoming more conservative as time went on. In the 2009 elections two far right parties the National Workers Party and the National Social liberation front both received the necessary 5% for representation. With new leadership the Christian Democratic union began to look for a more conservative front, wanting to bring back the pride of Germany and being German. As it was put "mindful of our past we must rebuild. We will not repeat the mistakes of our forefathers, but build a new strong Germany who will be a leader and ally in world affairs as she should be." The 2012 elections were chaotic to say the least, there were several third parties running and a few that it was surprising got on the ballot in the first place. In the end of the chaos there was a working majority in the Bundstag and the Bundesrat. Of course the collapse of the National social liberation front and the National Workers party was middle page news for a few weeks. What had happened was the NSLF and NWP ended up being fraught with two things, a power struggle and the fact that 1/2 the leadership was made up of undercover police and agents from the Defense of the Constitution bureau. In the gap the Christian Democratic Union began to pull out all the stops with a "we are all Germans" tour which included some tactics straight out of the US election cycle, meetings with leaders, meeting the people, and fiery speeches calling on Germany to be strong, work together and not give in to the baser emotions. The next two years were at best organized chaos, at worst fights and interparty struggle, the troubles of the East have become one of the greatest challenges, A building effort the likes of which haven't been seen since the bad old days resulted in Schools and jobs centers to crop up, as social services began to be targeted at those who felt left out. Foreign Relations Germany's relations with the United States are still strong as ever, with a strong tie continuing to form. Relations with Europe continue to be strong including membership in the European Union, There is still discomfort with the immigration issue but so far most parties have kept open relations and working together. The Crisis of 2013-2014 which included the Korea situation, China, and Canada's invasion of China resulted in Germany taking a stance of we are not getting involved, there was some concern over sending armed forces in to a situation we have no part in The German Military still relies on conscripts, who can cause a lack of discipline, however there is still discipline. The increased international presence shows the German Army is reaching outside it's post defensive role. There were a total of 50 casualties from the Iranian conflict. There has been a return to new awards, including the pour le merite and the iron cross, along with orders of military merit, and various decorations. Economy: Germany's economy brings much from the high tech sector with automotive such as BMW, Mercedes and Porsche still leading as luxury vehicles. The Eastern part of Germany still languishes with secondhand status, which shows in higher unemployment, and fewer opportunities. This has made Eastern Germany to be a fertile breeding ground for extreme right wing beliefs and racism. Several call centers have been erected, but are having trouble finding representatives. Social Issues: AN influx of immigration has resulted in anti immigrant sentiments including an uptick in neo nazi activities. There have been several burnings of Hostels, to discourage foreigners from coming to Germany, the east continues to have a problem with Alcohol and drugs along with crime. The religious aspects of Germany are still the neighborhood churches, who reach out when necessary to help the poor and downtrodden, however older faiths have come out and there have been reports of violence aimed at Islamic ministers which has resulted in increased police presence. There were several plots against churches or other religious groups several of which were linked to Skinhead groups. Police have made several arrests and trials are ongoing. From michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 15:09:18 2008 From: michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com (Michael Downey) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:39:18 -0230 Subject: [War_ooc] Absence Message-ID: <6b6ab8a70808291209s129babb2if27477938e3298ac@mail.gmail.com> Sorry about my lacking of posting, I'll be back in full swing Monday. From iain at iain-waddell.co.uk Sat Aug 30 17:34:32 2008 From: iain at iain-waddell.co.uk (Iain) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:34:32 +0100 Subject: [War_ooc] Out of contact Message-ID: Hi guys, Just to let you know I'm moving flat so will be out of contact from now until sometime Tuesday (providing my ISP sets up as promised in the new place.) Iain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080830/50a5e65a/attachment.html From john.penta at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 17:36:16 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:36:16 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Out of contact In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay. Have fun.:) John On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Iain wrote: > Hi guys, > > > > Just to let you know I'm moving flat so will be out of contact from now > until sometime Tuesday (providing my ISP sets up as promised in the new > place.) > > > > Iain > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > >