From john.penta at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 10:08:55 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:08:55 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Monday morning musings (read the whole thing) Message-ID: This is what happens when people don't let me sleep 8 consecutive hours like I like...Instead, I wake up every 2 hours. I get talkative. Today, my musings are about WAR. Since I have a captive audience, I'm taking advantage of that fact.:) Sooo, it looks like the great theological debate of WAR has reared its head. Realism vs what may alternately be called playability, story, loopiness, whatever. AGAIN. And naturally, mudslinging has occurred, and people have whined from both sides, and feelings are hurt. AGAIN. The fact that we're dealing with a spectrum here, not a binary choice, seems not to get through to many people. Well, some facts that remain unchanged at the end of the day. 1. This debate will never be solved to anybody's conclusion. 2. I do not own the server. That's all Jared, our silent list-owner. (He sets out very limited conditions, like no breaking the server. We abide by those as good guests. Otherwise, though, it's all us. He could well be dead at the moment and I wouldn't notice. I hope he's not, but he could be.) However, I've easily been with WAR longest of anybody currently playing. 3. WAR is thus, in a weird way, sort of (but not quite) 'mine'. I'm happy when it's not mine, honestly. I claim no ownership, but I realize that people wind up looking my way. 4. Debating realism vs whateveryouchoosetocallit drives away people, which is BAD for the game. 5. Good, bad...I'm the guy with the gun. Or in this case, the button that subscribes and unsubscribes. I don't use it much without at least the tacit consent of others, but the option is there. And Lord, have all sides in this debate made that finger itchy at times lately. All of these line up to one thing: Eventually, I'm the guy stuck settling this, it seems. But I don't *do* coercion, unless I have to. So if I may propose a compromise? WAR is not particularly realistic - it's a policy game, yeah. Sort of. But it's always, IMHO anyway, been intended as a game that mixes story with policy in...not equal doses, but there's no set proportion. The days of a half-page post needing footnotes and links are, so I pray, gone. Not that those are unnecessary. Indeed, they have a useful place. But they should not be needed in even most cases. But good writing is never a cure for braindead policy...or vice versa. It can make an iffy policy work, but the truly braindead shit...no. Good writing can make a good (if hard to swallow) policy easier to take. What does all of this add up to? In my opinion - if you're looking for a game solely focused on policy, this ain't it. I *like* having developed characters, thanks. I *enjoy* that WAR has become open to non-politics types. We have a practicing electrical engineer and a published author amongst us, as well as the odd medical student. That's good. Not something we could have had in previous incarnations, I think. But if you think this is a game where writing can achieve anything, you're also wrong. WAR has a finely-honed bullshit meter, and often as not it can sniff out stuff that would make no sense at a mile upwind. We have an uncanny record at predicting future events and "showcasing" things that soon wind up happening in some form in real life. This is because we allow stuff that is frankly a bit odd to happen. We've scared the Secret Service (HI GUYS, WE CAN BET YOU'RE LISTENING!), we've scared ourselves. We've proven an excellent laboratory for policy and storylines. It'd be sad if we were to react to recent events in-game with that changing. So, a solution. Not a permanent patch, but something that should hold for a while: We let events that HAVE happened happen as they will. I despise retcons. However, those events have consequences, which will be enforced. Period. In future...If need be, as seemingly the last neutral voice in our eternal debate, I'll act as Arbiter of Reality, in addition to acting as a GM. I'll confer with nobody - as conferring seems to spark debates as much as, if not more than, it ends them - except when I need information. My decisions will be mine alone. I'll be happy to justify my decisions in private - but I'd prefer we quit throwing mud at each other, which both sides have done. It's tiresome to hear cries of the "Hyperrealism Gestapo", as was put once. It's equally tiresome to hear that all realism is being sucked from WAR by recent events. Neither is true. Both make the accusers look like idiots. Paranoid idiots. Nobody is out to get you, not from here. Nobody is out to suck away your story, or your realism. Get over yourselves. No, this is not an invitation for long defenses - just let it go. Let's just get back to writing. And the next person to wake me up at 6 am...dies. John From john.penta at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 10:41:47 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:41:47 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Eurotrip JPs? Message-ID: Hi all. POTUS is going to be making a trip of Europe in the next week. I already have one post, with Buckley as Germany, in progress. Anybody who wants to meet the Leader of the Free World in your own country, if you're one of the players playing European countries, poke. Just be prepared for very fast pace in writing -it's compensating for attention-deficit disorder.:) John From iain at iain-waddell.co.uk Tue Sep 2 12:41:10 2008 From: iain at iain-waddell.co.uk (Iain) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:41:10 +0100 Subject: [War_ooc] Eurotrip JPs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27F42E0DCF5C42CE9F261DB2D872741F@iainw> Spain is of course looking forward to ur visit ;-) Writing with Dylan is taking a little longer than anticipated so might as well have u over in the meantime :P Iain -----Original Message----- From: war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com [mailto:war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com] On Behalf Of John Penta Sent: 02 September 2008 15:42 To: war_ooc at esteroic.com Subject: [War_ooc] Eurotrip JPs? Hi all. POTUS is going to be making a trip of Europe in the next week. I already have one post, with Buckley as Germany, in progress. Anybody who wants to meet the Leader of the Free World in your own country, if you're one of the players playing European countries, poke. Just be prepared for very fast pace in writing -it's compensating for attention-deficit disorder.:) John _______________________________________________ War_ooc mailing list War_ooc at esteroic.com http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com From iain at iain-waddell.co.uk Tue Sep 2 13:01:07 2008 From: iain at iain-waddell.co.uk (Iain) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:01:07 +0100 Subject: [War_ooc] Eurotrip JPs? In-Reply-To: <27F42E0DCF5C42CE9F261DB2D872741F@iainw> References: <27F42E0DCF5C42CE9F261DB2D872741F@iainw> Message-ID: <586E2B57E5ED42079E5E1F14D5DB1F17@iainw> ROFL err apologies for mailing ALL of u. That was of course just meant for John -----Original Message----- From: war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com [mailto:war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com] On Behalf Of Iain Sent: 02 September 2008 17:41 To: war_ooc at esteroic.com Subject: Re: [War_ooc] Eurotrip JPs? Spain is of course looking forward to ur visit ;-) Writing with Dylan is taking a little longer than anticipated so might as well have u over in the meantime :P Iain -----Original Message----- From: war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com [mailto:war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com] On Behalf Of John Penta Sent: 02 September 2008 15:42 To: war_ooc at esteroic.com Subject: [War_ooc] Eurotrip JPs? Hi all. POTUS is going to be making a trip of Europe in the next week. I already have one post, with Buckley as Germany, in progress. Anybody who wants to meet the Leader of the Free World in your own country, if you're one of the players playing European countries, poke. Just be prepared for very fast pace in writing -it's compensating for attention-deficit disorder.:) John _______________________________________________ War_ooc mailing list War_ooc at esteroic.com http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com _______________________________________________ War_ooc mailing list War_ooc at esteroic.com http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com From john.penta at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 13:09:54 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:09:54 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Ding ding ding...WR bell. Message-ID: Just a quick note - WR is approaching, we're aiming for Sunday. I know there are a lot of JPs in progress. I have...3 in progress just for myself. But generally, so that the GMs aren't chasing our own tails more than usual, could people have posts for this WR in by tonight-ish, so the weekend can be used to actually write the thing? John From dantheman2210 at yahoo.com.au Fri Sep 5 19:45:28 2008 From: dantheman2210 at yahoo.com.au (Daniel Sanderson) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [War_ooc] OOC: Apologies Message-ID: <27075.22564.qm@web39104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, I just wanted to apologize for my silence of later. it's that time of the semester. I have an internet sim-type assessment which is taking up a lot of time, and on top of that my mid-semester Arabic tests, and an IR paper due on Friday. So, hopefully after next week I'll be back into some writing. Dan Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset From john.penta at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 17:40:29 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:40:29 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] [War] LOA In-Reply-To: <6b6ab8a70809091230p40350985l2737eeec55f1e3c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6b6ab8a70809091230p40350985l2737eeec55f1e3c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Approved. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Michael Downey wrote: > I have to go LOA for at least a week > > _______________________________________________ > War mailing list > War at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_esteroic.com > From john.penta at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 11:29:38 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:29:38 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Where is everybody? Message-ID: It's quiet. ....Eerily, creepily so. Where is everybody? From vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 11:36:41 2008 From: vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com (Vampi Digitalwytch) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:36:41 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] Where is everybody? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, we're all either up to something hence the silence, or we've been caught up with work/school. > It's quiet. > > ....Eerily, creepily so. > > Where is everybody? -- --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but damn, there ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. From dylandv at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 23:51:05 2008 From: dylandv at gmail.com (Dylan de Valk) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:51:05 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] Where is everybody? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <763946e70809122051t169d2607x5437a8fe6e526cb3@mail.gmail.com> yup On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Vampi Digitalwytch < vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com> wrote: > Well, we're all either up to something hence the silence, or we've > been caught up with work/school. > > > > It's quiet. > > > > ....Eerily, creepily so. > > > > Where is everybody? > > > -- > --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but damn, there > ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080912/b5b5629b/attachment.html From pbuck11 at aol.com Sun Sep 14 10:40:58 2008 From: pbuck11 at aol.com (Patrick B) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:40:58 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] Romania 2014 (just found this) Message-ID: <48CD227A.4010405@aol.com> OOC note I found this and couldn't find it on the list. Thought we would need a backup. Leader: President Antanasia Danesti Country: Romania Ruling Party/Coalition: Romania Mare (mostly traditionalistic but working towards being more progressive) Political Landscape: Still adapting to this rather spiffy democracy deal, but for the most part moving along pretty well. Still feeling the echoes of the Communist era, there is a push to experimentalism to see what works best. Basic order is still the same, the President is elected who in turn appoints the Prime Minister who ends up picking the Parliamentary cabinet. Due to the high population of Gypsies, there is an appointed Representative to the Cabinet to speak for their interests. Economy: Fair to middlin'. Overall still a bit iffy about this European Union deal until changes are made more amenable even though it is biting things in the ass as far as the cost of Leu goes on the market. There has been a strong push since the 1980s to make Romania the place for overseas filming as it's still cheaper there than going to Canada, as well as a push for being a positive locale for overseas call centres as 'we're not India'. Dell and Gateway have opened up facilities near Bucharest that have been steadily trouncing the performance stats reported in the Mumbai locations, and there have been discussions about Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard opening up locations there as well. Unemployment fluctuates pending a large film shoot, and the American studio of Full Moon/Dark Castle has established a production facility in Budapest that's been steadily dominating the B-movie screens as well as the direct to DVD market. Tourism is another strong point (focussing on Dracula and Countess Bathory histories to grab the well funded Goth dollar) which is only fair considering the country's location, and to boost it's appeal for economic transport, the railways are on par for the standards required for the Trans-European transport network. Defence: Military is still steady, with a mandatory service term for all. Rather than following this vestige of the Communist era of militarism, it's more a reflection on evening the scales of education since rural areas are still pretty backwater. Focus is on the Army (small unit tactics/counter terrorism focus) primarily with Navy (glorified coast guard patrolling against smuggling and transport protection) a close tie in with Air Force. Foreign Relations: Pretty low key, though there is some fondness for the United States for it's assistance in past days for helping revamp the education system, and there is some remaining pissiness towards Russia for the depredations of the Ceaucescu and the Communists. Parliament is wanting to take steps to lead the country out of being the little fish in the global waters to move to be a noted power. Social Issues: Still improving towards modernism, but Romania still has the lead in the bizzaro news articles such as Man severs Penis while investigating attack on his chickens. Education is still a work in progress to hold on par with Western Europe, but computers are widespread with open access to the Internet. Cities are more cosmopolitan than at the turn of the century due to the influx of foreign coin and the improved status of education overall. There has been some discord between the 'old guard' who still remember the Ceaucescu days and just after and the Nova Romani who see themselves stepping out to be equal among the long established world powers, but as the 'old guard' ages out, the protests over Romania losing it's distinctiveness slowly ebb out. There has been a renaissance in rhythm and blues style music throughout the nation with Budapest and Constanta being considered focal points. Crime overall is low, but petty crimes such as pickpocketing and confidence scams are high. Romania is slowly catching up to Nigeria on the scale of '419 scams'. Health: Alcoholism is still a bit of an issue, but not as bad as it was previous. Vigorous anti-drug campaigns have had success with reducing incidents of the harder drugs such as meth and heroin, but there is a very laid back attitude towards marijuana and there has been some proposals towards legalization under certain circumstances. Nutritionwise, due to the heavy creams and butters in traditional Romanian cuisine, heart related ailments are still a leading cause of death despite a rather healthy attitude towards exercise that does mirror the basic bootcamp motif. Religious Affairs: The Orthodox Catholic Church is still very predominant, but not the staunch overlord of previous times, though there is an undercurrent of alternative religions of paganism that are tolerated as long as they're not too obnoxious, and given official sanction once they meet the criteria of having at least 20,000 adherants. Scientology has been ruled a cult and is not welcome to the point of arrests. The Church is allowed some input to Governmental decisions as far as giving advice but does not have a vote per se with creation of laws. -- From vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 22:33:48 2008 From: vampi.digitalwytch at gmail.com (Vampi Digitalwytch) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:33:48 -0600 Subject: [War_ooc] And so it goes Message-ID: Years back when I first joined WAR, I was looking for something outside the usual, and in all honesty, WAR's as unique as they come. When I joined, realism was the rule. And while that's fine as it's own thing, it does limit things. Unless one's playing one of the major superpowers, there's really not much to do other than pretty much pick your nose and go along with what the superpowers do since those are the only ones that really matter. Hell, I even resurrected the Order of Dracul in Romania and was doing impalings of crime lords which didn't even so much as draw a 'is this a joke' on the OOC. As seems the pattern when things went stagnant, we discussed what direction we take with WAR since going the realism route pretty much was a lather-rinse-repeat of there's some posting, scads of bickering on the OOC until posting stops and then we hit the reset button. We decided on easing back on the realism. We set the time for in the future and agreed that post quality will decide success of actions. This would allow writers to explore new avenues while keeping out the bizzare of clone harems and Gundam robots. That rule's not really been tested this restart until I chose to have Romania drop out of the major world affairs to work on itself while pointing out the order of things is broken and skewed, and does need to be fixed in light of the current world situation. Since that post, I have had to deal with offlist, plenty of insistence that this sort of thing wasn't covered when we agreed upon the post quality rule, offers of how the WR writeup should be with riots in the streets and assassination attempts, rigged elections along with just about every action up to and possibly armed troops coming in to make Romania conform to order. All things going above and beyond rationality with choosing a difficult course of action and knowing there would be some sanctions. I've had to defend offlist each post made since the Deal with it post as if this was a doctorial thesis and a career depended on the good grade. No one should have to go through this. And those who didn't get successes they wanted due to post quality have been complaining about the failures while complaining further about the exploring new avenues. It's as if when we agreed upon post quality as a rule, it really wasn't meant and was only said to just make us feel good that we decided something for a direction when all that's really wanted is the old status quo. The simming community is not what it was years ago during the golden period. The ones who still continue to sim are in this for fun, and when it's not fun, they're going to leave. For me, it's not fun to mostly sit on the sidelines with my chosen country nor have to rigorously defend an action taken in a post while having it bandied about of quashing this before it's given much if any chance of being explored while reading WRs that pretty much ignore what I've posted or established. In a twisted way, Antanasia's point reverberates more than just simple posts. Unless one's writing for one of the superpowers, don't expect anyone to look at what your country has established and just continue to keep it in the perspective of our current day or worse. Not helping either is while I was elected a GM, repeatedly over the past weeks or so, I've been treated as if it was just a title and not a position. Decisions have been made without all three GMs input, and if the others are informed of them, it's been more of a 'it's been decided and you're only being told as an after thought'. Many of these decisions are out and out bad policy and catering to those who scream the loudest rather than what is best for the game be it short term or long. Ideas put forth to help better the game and it's running are dismissed out of hand. I've been a GM and AGM in too many games over the years to know that this sort of discord is not healthy or conducive for a sim. I don't know if it's favouritism or what at this point, and with everything said at this point, I've progressed to just not caring as well as not feeling like dealing with the petty stuff. This is a sim, something done for fun and shouldn't be treated as if it were weighty matters of life or death. As a former 911 emergency dispatch operator, I more than know the difference. So, with that said, so long, goodbye and good luck. -- --I know there are no lifeguards in the gene pool, but damn, there ought to be at least a few sharks in the water. From dylandv at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 23:57:59 2008 From: dylandv at gmail.com (Dylan de Valk) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:57:59 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] And so it goes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <763946e70809142057s74765320x852462c8423a8a6e@mail.gmail.com> you know, i agree whole-heartedly with you lisa. thats just not cool. ive been secretly rooting for romania since it closed itself down. for you to deal with that kind of bullshit is just bad sportmanship. i actually had a conversation with john a few days ago and i said, ive been thinking of doing something similar to romania, and he basically landed on my chest and cut my throat, stating he would launch bricks from space at canada and obliterate it. furthermore, he took a view that WAR is 'his' and he can do as he wishes. as soon as that came out, i just logged off. so i totally sympathize with you. i hope you reverse your decision and decide to come back, because im really going to miss your hilarious writing. cheers, dylan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://esteroic.com/pipermail/war_ooc_esteroic.com/attachments/20080914/e7e479d1/attachment.html From john.penta at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 13:42:00 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:42:00 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Here we go again. Message-ID: Lisa has officially, at her request, been unsubbed from all WAR lists. I wish her the best of luck in future endeavors. That leaves us with an empty GM slot. Requirements to be a GM haven't changed. How we're going to do this: Not waiting for an election. Instead, if you want to be a GM, volunteer here, on the OOC list. I will then put names in a hat, or a bowl, or something, and assign each name to a position on a virtual die. The winner is whoever wins the die roll. John From martellian at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 13:43:32 2008 From: martellian at hotmail.com (Ian Martell) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:43:32 -0700 Subject: [War_ooc] Here we go again. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Put me down for the draw John Ian -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Penta" Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:42 AM To: Subject: [War_ooc] Here we go again. > Lisa has officially, at her request, been unsubbed from all WAR lists. > I wish her the best of luck in future endeavors. > > That leaves us with an empty GM slot. > > Requirements to be a GM haven't changed. > > How we're going to do this: Not waiting for an election. > > Instead, if you want to be a GM, volunteer here, on the OOC list. > > I will then put names in a hat, or a bowl, or something, and assign > each name to a position on a virtual die. > > The winner is whoever wins the die roll. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From john.penta at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 09:49:42 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:49:42 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Here we go again. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Done. I forgot to add, I'll do the drawing tomorrow around noon EDT, RL permitting. If there's only one person, that person will be co-opted. John On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Ian Martell wrote: > > Put me down for the draw John > > Ian > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "John Penta" > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:42 AM > To: > Subject: [War_ooc] Here we go again. > >> Lisa has officially, at her request, been unsubbed from all WAR lists. >> I wish her the best of luck in future endeavors. >> >> That leaves us with an empty GM slot. >> >> Requirements to be a GM haven't changed. >> >> How we're going to do this: Not waiting for an election. >> >> Instead, if you want to be a GM, volunteer here, on the OOC list. >> >> I will then put names in a hat, or a bowl, or something, and assign >> each name to a position on a virtual die. >> >> The winner is whoever wins the die roll. >> >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> War_ooc mailing list >> War_ooc at esteroic.com >> http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From john.penta at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 11:50:45 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:50:45 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] Well that was quick Message-ID: Okay...nobody else has volunteered. I doubt 10 minutes will bring anyone forward. I...guess Ian's it, then. New GM team: Me, Buckley, Ian. I'd congratulate Ian, but maybe condolences are more appropriate, who knows.:P And now back to the game. John From john.penta at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 13:57:56 2008 From: john.penta at gmail.com (John Penta) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:57:56 -0400 Subject: [War_ooc] An age limit? Message-ID: All, Something I'm..concerned about. As a rule, WAR has no "rating", so to speak. We're about politics, we haven't needed one except where forced. Our ads say "Rated R", but that may only be understandable to a US audience, and our -current- playerbase is from all over. And of all ages, from 17 on up. However, -should- we have an age limit? A hard and fast "You must be x age to play" rule? I'm not sure, personally. Ian says only "13 is too young", Buckley says we shouldn't, that we need players. There's merit in both views. So, lacking any guidance, I as newbieherder would -like- some guidance from the playerbase. Please? John From michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 14:02:22 2008 From: michael.michaeldowney at gmail.com (Michael Downey) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:32:22 -0230 Subject: [War_ooc] An age limit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6b6ab8a70809251102r7ecd5dcfh93b15cee66b1c3d1@mail.gmail.com> I think we should put a warning on our website that the game is for 17 and up as a matter of course, but realistically how can we actually check or enforce something like that? I think it should serve more as a warning for what to expect to see in the game. Anyone under 17 is just going to lie about their age anyway if they want to sign up. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM, John Penta wrote: > All, > > Something I'm..concerned about. > > As a rule, WAR has no "rating", so to speak. We're about politics, > we haven't needed one except where forced. Our ads say "Rated R", but > that may only be understandable to a US audience, and our -current- > playerbase is from all over. And of all ages, from 17 on up. > > However, -should- we have an age limit? A hard and fast "You must > be x age to play" rule? > > I'm not sure, personally. Ian says only "13 is too young", Buckley > says we shouldn't, that we need players. > > There's merit in both views. So, lacking any guidance, I as > newbieherder would -like- some guidance from the playerbase. Please? > > John > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > From iain at iain-waddell.co.uk Thu Sep 25 14:18:25 2008 From: iain at iain-waddell.co.uk (Iain) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:18:25 +0100 Subject: [War_ooc] An age limit? In-Reply-To: <6b6ab8a70809251102r7ecd5dcfh93b15cee66b1c3d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6b6ab8a70809251102r7ecd5dcfh93b15cee66b1c3d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think that an age limit as Michael says, is an unrealistic thing to be able to enforce. A content warning is appropriate but I think a player should be judged on their maturity to handle the game and their writing skills rather than their age? -----Original Message----- From: war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com [mailto:war_ooc-bounces at esteroic.com] On Behalf Of Michael Downey Sent: 25 September 2008 19:02 To: war_ooc at esteroic.com Subject: Re: [War_ooc] An age limit? I think we should put a warning on our website that the game is for 17 and up as a matter of course, but realistically how can we actually check or enforce something like that? I think it should serve more as a warning for what to expect to see in the game. Anyone under 17 is just going to lie about their age anyway if they want to sign up. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM, John Penta wrote: > All, > > Something I'm..concerned about. > > As a rule, WAR has no "rating", so to speak. We're about politics, > we haven't needed one except where forced. Our ads say "Rated R", but > that may only be understandable to a US audience, and our -current- > playerbase is from all over. And of all ages, from 17 on up. > > However, -should- we have an age limit? A hard and fast "You must > be x age to play" rule? > > I'm not sure, personally. Ian says only "13 is too young", Buckley > says we shouldn't, that we need players. > > There's merit in both views. So, lacking any guidance, I as > newbieherder would -like- some guidance from the playerbase. Please? > > John > > _______________________________________________ > War_ooc mailing list > War_ooc at esteroic.com > http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com > _______________________________________________ War_ooc mailing list War_ooc at esteroic.com http://esteroic.com/mailman/listinfo/war_ooc_esteroic.com